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Path: ...!news.misty.com!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Two dozen people were simply wrong --- Try to prove otherwise --- pinned down Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2024 15:01:02 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 32 Message-ID: <v3fulu$2ulbk$4@dont-email.me> References: <v3501h$lpnh$1@dont-email.me> <v37sap$18mfo$1@dont-email.me> <v38eq4$2foi0$1@i2pn2.org> <v38fe0$1bndb$1@dont-email.me> <v38g31$2foi0$11@i2pn2.org> <v38gi5$1bndb$3@dont-email.me> <v38ici$2fohv$2@i2pn2.org> <v38j17$1c8ir$2@dont-email.me> <v38jgo$2foi0$14@i2pn2.org> <v38jv9$1c8ir$4@dont-email.me> <v39agi$1jiql$1@dont-email.me> <v39v3h$1mtd9$5@dont-email.me> <v3b9kj$2im02$1@i2pn2.org> <v3bale$222n5$1@dont-email.me> <v3bbs2$2im01$1@i2pn2.org> <v3bcre$22a8n$1@dont-email.me> <v3bduk$2im01$2@i2pn2.org> <v3bedb$22f8h$1@dont-email.me> <v3bfbm$2im01$3@i2pn2.org> <v3bg39$22o6m$1@dont-email.me> <v3cbhu$2k3ld$1@i2pn2.org> <v3clo2$28p7n$1@dont-email.me> <v3dft1$2lfup$1@i2pn2.org> <v3dhob$2dio8$1@dont-email.me> <v3dk0d$2lfup$2@i2pn2.org> <v3dkf2$2e2po$1@dont-email.me> <v3dmnc$2lfup$3@i2pn2.org> <v3do66$2ejq2$1@dont-email.me> <v3enpm$2mn41$2@dont-email.me> <v3fe2a$2r6h9$2@dont-email.me> <v3feus$2re6f$1@dont-email.me> <v3fg1m$2riae$1@dont-email.me> <v3frb1$2o13h$11@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2024 22:01:02 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="5617c6a52e82e3edb2307f1199229213"; logging-data="3102068"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19+BGNxy3jT2Stf1EiTqNUC" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:sRNbaeSN/OrB826lyWzzwHcHbuQ= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v3frb1$2o13h$11@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 3391 On 6/1/2024 2:04 PM, joes wrote: > Am Sat, 01 Jun 2024 10:51:18 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 6/1/2024 10:32 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>> Op 01.jun.2024 om 17:17 schreef olcott: >>>> On 6/1/2024 3:57 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>> Op 01.jun.2024 om 01:57 schreef olcott: >>>>>> On 5/31/2024 6:33 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/31/24 6:54 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>> On 5/31/2024 5:46 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 5/31/24 6:08 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 5/31/2024 4:36 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 5/31/24 10:10 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/31/2024 6:16 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/30/24 11:27 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> >>> Halting criteria are the same for all functions. If the direct >>> execution of HH(DD,DD) proves that HH halts, then the direct execution >>> of DD also proves that DD halts. >> >> *HH is required to report on the behavior that its input specifies* HH >> is not allowed to report on the behavior of DD(DD) {the computation that >> itself is contained within}. > Which just happens to be the same as its input. So the containing > computations is just not allowed to occur? > This reply is construed as disingenuous. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer