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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Two dozen people were simply wrong --- Try to prove otherwise ---
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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2024 17:37:28 -0500
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On 6/1/2024 5:30 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 6/1/24 5:27 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/1/2024 4:15 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 6/1/24 4:35 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 6/1/2024 3:29 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 6/1/24 12:46 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/1/2024 11:33 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/1/24 12:18 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/1/2024 11:08 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 6/1/24 11:58 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/1/2024 10:46 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/1/24 10:00 AM, olcott wrote: >> DD correctly simulated 
>>>>>>>>>>> by HH remains stuck in recursive simulation
>>>>>>>>>>>> all the time it is simulated even when an infinite number of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> steps
>>>>>>>>>>>> are simulated.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So, are you admitting that HH just gets stuck and doesn't 
>>>>>>>>>>> answer when asked HH(DD,DD)?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Every DD correctly simulated by any HH remains stuck in 
>>>>>>>>>> recursive simulation for 1 to ∞ steps of correct simulation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So? Since you definition of "Correct Simulation" is 
>>>>>>>>> non-canonical, that doesn't mean anything.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *When the "canonical" definition tries to get away with refuting 
>>>>>>>> this*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DD correctly emulated by HH with an x86 emulator cannot possibly
>>>>>>>> reach past its own machine instruction [00001c2e] in any finite
>>>>>>>> number of steps of correct emulation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, it doesn't "Refute" that, 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Then what I said stands unrefuted*
>>>>>> *Then what I said stands unrefuted*
>>>>>> *Then what I said stands unrefuted*
>>>>>
>>>>> And unproven, and still meaningless.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *We can't move on to any other point until*
>>>>>> (a) You acknowledge that my above statement about the behavior of the
>>>>>> x86 machine code of DD is irrefutable and applies to the C source 
>>>>>> code version of DD and applies to the Linz proof.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (b) You correctly refute what I said above about the behavior of the
>>>>>> x86 machine code of DD.
>>>>>
>>>>> But why do we care about the fact that all your HH that answer just 
>>>>> gave up on their simulation before the actual canonically correct 
>>>>> simulation would have reached a final state, 
>>>> It seems to me (and I may be wrong you may be confused)
>>>> That we cannot move on to any other point simply because
>>>> you are simply too freaking dishonest.
>>>>
>>>> You use moving on to other points to endlessly avoid any
>>>> closure on any point.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We can not move on, because you want to base your arguement on 
>>> falsehoods.
>>>
>>
>> typedef int (*ptr)();  // ptr is pointer to int function in C
>> 00       int HH(ptr p, ptr i);
>> 01       int DD(ptr p)
>> 02       {
>> 03         int Halt_Status = HH(p, p);
>> 04         if (Halt_Status)
>> 05           HERE: goto HERE;
>> 06         return Halt_Status;
>> 07       }
>> 08
>> 09       int main()
>> 10       {
>> 11         HH(DD,DD);
>> 12         return 0;
>> 13       }
>>
>> Every DD correctly simulated by any HH of the infinite set of HH/DD
>> pairs that match the above template never reaches past its own simulated
>> line 03 in 1 to ∞ steps of correct simulation of DD by HH.
> 
> But since the simulation was aborted, 

I don't want to be harsh, especially because Christ says to love
even your enemies and at worst you are only an adversary...

*The above never mentions anything about any simulation being aborted*
*The above never mentions anything about any simulation being aborted*
*The above never mentions anything about any simulation being aborted*

*YET PROVES THAT THE INPUT TO H(DD,DD) DOES NOT HALT*
*YET PROVES THAT THE INPUT TO H(DD,DD) DOES NOT HALT*
*YET PROVES THAT THE INPUT TO H(DD,DD) DOES NOT HALT*


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