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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Two dozen people were simply wrong --- Try to prove otherwise --- pinned down Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2024 18:12:42 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 57 Message-ID: <v3g9tc$30pbl$1@dont-email.me> References: <v3501h$lpnh$1@dont-email.me> <v3dhob$2dio8$1@dont-email.me> <v3dk0d$2lfup$2@i2pn2.org> <v3dkf2$2e2po$1@dont-email.me> <v3dmnc$2lfup$3@i2pn2.org> <v3do66$2ejq2$1@dont-email.me> <v3dqka$2lfup$4@i2pn2.org> <v3dsev$2f6ul$1@dont-email.me> <v3dtt4$2lfup$5@i2pn2.org> <v3dvr3$2jgjd$1@dont-email.me> <v3e0rj$2lfup$6@i2pn2.org> <v3e1m6$2jmc2$1@dont-email.me> <v3f09p$2n53o$1@i2pn2.org> <v3feqn$2rdp3$1@dont-email.me> <v3fgat$2n53n$5@i2pn2.org> <v3fhan$2rsbs$1@dont-email.me> <v3fi55$2n53o$6@i2pn2.org> <v3fiq7$2rsbs$5@dont-email.me> <v3flc5$2n53o$7@i2pn2.org> <v3flm8$2sm3s$1@dont-email.me> <v3fm1e$2n53n$8@i2pn2.org> <v3fmlc$2sogn$1@dont-email.me> <v3fncn$2n53n$9@i2pn2.org> <v3fo1p$2t1ac$2@dont-email.me> <v3fqpt$2tjjm$1@dont-email.me> <v3fu48$2ulbk$1@dont-email.me> <v3g0b9$2n53n$17@i2pn2.org> <v3g0q4$2v3lp$3@dont-email.me> <v3g2t2$2n53n$20@i2pn2.org> <v3g3ja$2vho5$1@dont-email.me> <v3g7eb$2n53n$23@i2pn2.org> <v3g80k$30c96$2@dont-email.me> <v3g99u$2n53n$24@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2024 01:12:44 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="3e1a2626012d6c432c11247ed1bf0353"; logging-data="3171701"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+HpeeUMFIC9ZDKHrVkdEOD" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:CvCVxtRz3O1ESiL7YvJSKRX1syc= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v3g99u$2n53n$24@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 3918 On 6/1/2024 6:02 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 6/1/24 6:40 PM, olcott wrote: >> >> Show me where I said anything in the above spec about an aborted >> simulation. > > So, why did HH stop simulating after some n steps? > > Did it reach a final state in the simulation? if not, it ABORTED its > simulation. > >> >> When every possible which way DD correctly simulated by HH never reaches >> past its own simulated line 03 then > > And a simulation either goes until it reaches a final state of the > machine it is simulating, or it aborted its simulation. > typedef int (*ptr)(); // ptr is pointer to int function in C 00 int HH(ptr p, ptr i); 01 int DD(ptr p) 02 { 03 int Halt_Status = HH(p, p); 04 if (Halt_Status) 05 HERE: goto HERE; 06 return Halt_Status; 07 } 08 09 int main() 10 { 11 HH(DD,DD); 12 return 0; 13 } When every DD correctly simulated by any HH cannot possibly reach past its own simulated line 03 in 1 to ∞ steps of correct simulation of DD by HH then we have exhaustively examined every possible HH/DD pair and each element has of this infinite set has the same property. *THIS PROVES THAT THE INPUT TO H(DD,DD) DOES NOT HALT* *THIS PROVES THAT THE INPUT TO H(DD,DD) DOES NOT HALT* *THIS PROVES THAT THE INPUT TO H(DD,DD) DOES NOT HALT* > Nope, prove you don't know what you are talking about, > or are just a liar destined for Gehenna, > Are you willing to bet your soul on the claim that you believe that you are telling the truth? I do believe that I am telling the truth and I also believe that you already know that I am correct about the above statements that I made. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer