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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Two dozen people were simply wrong --- Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2024 20:16:09 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 38 Message-ID: <v3icta$3f51j$3@dont-email.me> References: <v3501h$lpnh$1@dont-email.me> <v3bale$222n5$1@dont-email.me> <v3bbs2$2im01$1@i2pn2.org> <v3bcre$22a8n$1@dont-email.me> <v3bduk$2im01$2@i2pn2.org> <v3bedb$22f8h$1@dont-email.me> <v3bfbm$2im01$3@i2pn2.org> <v3bg39$22o6m$1@dont-email.me> <v3cbhu$2k3ld$1@i2pn2.org> <v3clo2$28p7n$1@dont-email.me> <v3dft1$2lfup$1@i2pn2.org> <v3dhob$2dio8$1@dont-email.me> <v3dk0d$2lfup$2@i2pn2.org> <v3dkf2$2e2po$1@dont-email.me> <v3dmnc$2lfup$3@i2pn2.org> <v3do66$2ejq2$1@dont-email.me> <MPG.40c4fbcb474992459896fd@reader.eternal-september.org> <v3f9ha$2qh0t$1@dont-email.me> <v3ffpc$2n53n$3@i2pn2.org> <v3fgfb$2riae$2@dont-email.me> <v3fh1a$2n53o$5@i2pn2.org> <v3fhkr$2rsbs$2@dont-email.me> <v3fig4$2n53n$6@i2pn2.org> <v3fj8h$2rsbs$6@dont-email.me> <v3g0bg$2n53n$18@i2pn2.org> <v3g0n2$2v3lp$2@dont-email.me> <v3g329$2n53n$21@i2pn2.org> <v3g3np$2vk55$1@dont-email.me> <v3g7e9$2n53n$22@i2pn2.org> <v3g7r8$30c96$1@dont-email.me> <v3heeh$2psm0$3@i2pn2.org> <v3i1a5$3cpu7$7@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2024 20:16:11 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="7b2dfb52a2545f32ded9b03629a80d37"; logging-data="3642419"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18JGUjrzXX9oto578JHH+fL" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:9HS8zCcGo5bEYbZdeJvtWCZYEYw= In-Reply-To: <v3i1a5$3cpu7$7@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-GB Bytes: 3575 Op 02.jun.2024 om 16:58 schreef olcott: > On 6/2/2024 4:36 AM, joes wrote: >> Am Sat, 01 Jun 2024 17:37:28 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> >>> On 6/1/2024 5:30 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>> On 6/1/24 5:27 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 6/1/2024 4:15 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>> On 6/1/24 4:35 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>> On 6/1/2024 3:29 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>> On 6/1/24 12:46 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 6/1/2024 11:33 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 6/1/24 12:18 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 6/1/2024 11:08 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/1/24 11:58 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/1/2024 10:46 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/1/24 10:00 AM, olcott wrote: >> >>>>> Every DD correctly simulated by any HH of the infinite set of HH/DD >>>>> pairs that match the above template never reaches past its own >>>>> simulated line 03 in 1 to ∞ steps of correct simulation of DD by HH. >>>> >>>> But since the simulation was aborted, >>> >>> *The above never mentions anything about any simulation being aborted* >> Not simulating an infinite number of steps of infinite recursion is >> incorrect. You always forget this requirement: the simulation must be >> complete. > > When every possible simulation where DD is correctly simulated by HH > never reaches past its own simulated line 03 then we know for sure that > No DD correctly simulated by HH ever halts. Similarly: When every possible simulation where HH is correctly simulated by itself never reaches its own return then we know for sure that no HH correctly simulated by HH ever halts.