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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: DD correctly simulated by HH cannot possible halt --- Try to prove
 otherwise --- x86 DD
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2024 13:29:07 -0500
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On 6/2/2024 1:13 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 6/2/24 1:59 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/2/2024 12:22 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 6/2/24 10:19 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Semantic tautologies are self-evident truth that prove themselves.
>>>> It is a fact that every five pound rock weights more than any
>>>> three pound rock. No need to weigh any rocks.
>>>
>>> Right, so you don't need to weigh a five pound rock to know it is 
>>> five bpounds.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> typedef int (*ptr)();  // ptr is pointer to int function in C
>>>> 00       int HH(ptr p, ptr i);
>>>> 01       int DD(ptr p)
>>>> 02       {
>>>> 03         int Halt_Status = HH(p, p);
>>>> 04         if (Halt_Status)
>>>> 05           HERE: goto HERE;
>>>> 06         return Halt_Status;
>>>> 07       }
>>>> 08
>>>> 09       int main()
>>>> 10       {
>>>> 11         HH(DD,DD);
>>>> 12         return 0;
>>>> 13       }
>>>>
>>>> Likewise we correctly deduce that for every HH/DD pair of the
>>>> infinite set of all HH/DD pairs that match the above template
>>>> every DD correctly simulated by HH never reaches past its own
>>>> simulated line 03, thus never halts.
>>>
>>
>> When for every freaking HH/DD pair that matches the above template
>> DD correctly simulated by HH cannot possibly ever reaches past its
>> own simulated line 03 then
>>
>> we know with complete logical certainty that not a damn one of
>> these DD instance halts. halts, NOT A DAMN ONE OF THEM EVER HALTS.
> 
> Nope, and you are just proving you are totally out of touch with reality.
> 
> EVERY DD built on an HH that returns 0 for HH(DD,DD) will Halt.
> 

I am going to give up on you because you continue to try
to get away with the straw-mam deception CHANGE-THE-SUBJECT
fake rebuttal.

This is the only post that I will reply to and unless you
either accept that DD correctly simulated by HH will never
halt for the infinite set of HH/DD pairs specified below
or correctly refute the paragraph relating to the x86 code
of DD shown below *I will simply not respond to your posts*

(a) Accept the DD/HH that DD never halts
(b) Correctly refute the x86 DD
*EVERYTHING ELSE WILL GET NO RESPONSE FROM ME*

typedef int (*ptr)();  // ptr is pointer to int function in C
00       int HH(ptr p, ptr i);
01       int DD(ptr p)
02       {
03         int Halt_Status = HH(p, p);
04         if (Halt_Status)
05           HERE: goto HERE;
06         return Halt_Status;
07       }
08
09       int main()
10       {
11         HH(DD,DD);
12         return 0;
13       }


DD correctly emulated by HH with an x86 emulator cannot possibly
reach past its own machine instruction [00001c2e] in any finite
(or infinite) number of steps of correct emulation.

_DD()
[00001c22] 55         push ebp
[00001c23] 8bec       mov ebp,esp
[00001c25] 51         push ecx
[00001c26] 8b4508     mov eax,[ebp+08]
[00001c29] 50         push eax        ; push DD 1c22
[00001c2a] 8b4d08     mov ecx,[ebp+08]
[00001c2d] 51         push ecx        ; push DD 1c22
[00001c2e] e80ff7ffff call 00001342   ; call HH
[00001c33] 83c408     add esp,+08
[00001c36] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax
[00001c39] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
[00001c3d] 7402       jz 00001c41
[00001c3f] ebfe       jmp 00001c3f
[00001c41] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04]
[00001c44] 8be5       mov esp,ebp
[00001c46] 5d         pop ebp
[00001c47] c3         ret
Size in bytes:(0038) [00001c47]



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