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From: "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl>
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Op 02.jun.2024 om 20:08 schreef olcott:
> On 6/2/2024 12:55 PM, joes wrote:
>> Am Sun, 02 Jun 2024 10:02:54 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>> On 6/2/2024 4:36 AM, joes wrote:
>>>> Am Sat, 01 Jun 2024 17:37:28 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>> On 6/1/2024 5:30 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/1/24 5:27 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/1/2024 4:15 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/1/24 4:35 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 6/1/2024 3:29 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/1/24 12:46 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/1/2024 11:33 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/1/24 12:18 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/1/2024 11:08 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/1/24 11:58 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/1/2024 10:46 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/1/24 10:00 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Every DD correctly simulated by any HH of the infinite set of HH/DD
>>>>>>> pairs that match the above template never reaches past its own
>>>>>>> simulated line 03 in 1 to ∞ steps of correct simulation of DD by HH.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But since the simulation was aborted,
>>>>>
>>>>> *The above never mentions anything about any simulation being aborted*
>>>> Not simulating an infinite number of steps of infinite recursion is
>>>> incorrect. You always forget this requirement: the simulation must be
>>>> complete.
>>>
>>> When HH correctly simulates N steps of DD it is incorrect to say that
>>> these N steps were incorrectly simulated.
>> The simulation is incorrect if it stops at that point and the simulated
>> machine is not in a final state, even if it was correct up to that point.
>> It also matters what steps where simulated, not only if each was correct.
>>
> 
> Introduction to the Theory of Computation, by Michael Sipser
> https://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Theory-Computation-Michael-Sipser/dp/113318779X/
> 
> On 10/13/2022 11:29:23 AM
> MIT Professor Michael Sipser agreed that this verbatim paragraph is correct
> (He has neither reviewed nor agreed to anything else in this paper)
> 
> <Professor Sipser agreed>
> If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D until H 
> correctly determines that its simulated D would never stop running 
> unless aborted then
> 
> H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D specifies a 
> non-halting sequence of configurations.
> </Professor Sipser agreed>
> 
> 
>>>> What are the sets of HH and DD? I thought they were concrete machines.
>>>>
>>> The infinite set of every HH/DD pair where HH correctly simulates 1 or
>>> more steps of DD is the infinite set that I am referring to.
>> I see only a single DD. All H that stop simulating D before it reaches a
>> final state are already wrong.
>>
> 
> There are an infinite number of different HH/DD pairs specified by that
> template. One class of them simulates N steps and one class of them
> simulates ∞ steps. Some of them play a game of bingo before simulating
> any steps. Some of them play a game of chess after simulating N steps.
> 
> *IN NONE OF THESE CASES DOES DD CORRECTLY SIMULATED BY HH HALT*
> 

Similarly:

*IN NONE OF THESE CASES DOES HH CORRECTLY SIMULATED BY HH HALT*

-- 
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