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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: DD correctly simulated by HH cannot possible halt --- Try to
 prove otherwise --- x86 DD
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2024 14:13:29 -0500
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On 6/2/2024 2:05 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 6/2/24 2:29 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/2/2024 1:13 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 6/2/24 1:59 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 6/2/2024 12:22 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 6/2/24 10:19 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Semantic tautologies are self-evident truth that prove themselves.
>>>>>> It is a fact that every five pound rock weights more than any
>>>>>> three pound rock. No need to weigh any rocks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right, so you don't need to weigh a five pound rock to know it is 
>>>>> five bpounds.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> typedef int (*ptr)();  // ptr is pointer to int function in C
>>>>>> 00       int HH(ptr p, ptr i);
>>>>>> 01       int DD(ptr p)
>>>>>> 02       {
>>>>>> 03         int Halt_Status = HH(p, p);
>>>>>> 04         if (Halt_Status)
>>>>>> 05           HERE: goto HERE;
>>>>>> 06         return Halt_Status;
>>>>>> 07       }
>>>>>> 08
>>>>>> 09       int main()
>>>>>> 10       {
>>>>>> 11         HH(DD,DD);
>>>>>> 12         return 0;
>>>>>> 13       }
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Likewise we correctly deduce that for every HH/DD pair of the
>>>>>> infinite set of all HH/DD pairs that match the above template
>>>>>> every DD correctly simulated by HH never reaches past its own
>>>>>> simulated line 03, thus never halts.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When for every freaking HH/DD pair that matches the above template
>>>> DD correctly simulated by HH cannot possibly ever reaches past its
>>>> own simulated line 03 then
>>>>
>>>> we know with complete logical certainty that not a damn one of
>>>> these DD instance halts. halts, NOT A DAMN ONE OF THEM EVER HALTS.
>>>
>>> Nope, and you are just proving you are totally out of touch with 
>>> reality.
>>>
>>> EVERY DD built on an HH that returns 0 for HH(DD,DD) will Halt.
>>>
>>
>> I am going to give up on you because you continue to try
>> to get away with the straw-mam deception CHANGE-THE-SUBJECT
>> fake rebuttal.
> 
> Nope. I am not "Changing the subject" but showing that your subject is 
> incorrect or irrelevent.
> 
>>
>> This is the only post that I will reply to and unless you
>> either accept that DD correctly simulated by HH will never
>> halt for the infinite set of HH/DD pairs specified below
>> or correctly refute the paragraph relating to the x86 code
>> of DD shown below *I will simply not respond to your posts*
> 
> Which I won't do until you say why it matters.
> 
>>
>> (a) Accept the DD/HH that DD never halts
>> (b) Correctly refute the x86 DD
>> *EVERYTHING ELSE WILL GET NO RESPONSE FROM ME*
> 
> And thus a whole list of posts refuting everything that you say that you 
> will just be forced to leave out there or convict yourself of LYING.
> 
>>
>> typedef int (*ptr)();  // ptr is pointer to int function in C
>> 00       int HH(ptr p, ptr i);
>> 01       int DD(ptr p)
>> 02       {
>> 03         int Halt_Status = HH(p, p);
>> 04         if (Halt_Status)
>> 05           HERE: goto HERE;
>> 06         return Halt_Status;
>> 07       }
>> 08
>> 09       int main()
>> 10       {
>> 11         HH(DD,DD);
>> 12         return 0;
>> 13       }
>>
>>
>> DD correctly emulated by HH with an x86 emulator cannot possibly
>> reach past its own machine instruction [00001c2e] in any finite
>> (or infinite) number of steps of correct emulation.
> 
> But any such finite simulation 

DD correctly emulated by HH with an x86 emulator cannot possibly
reach past its own machine instruction [00001c2e] in any finite
(or infinite) number of steps of correct emulation.

(or infinite) number of steps of correct emulation.
(or infinite) number of steps of correct emulation.
(or infinite) number of steps of correct emulation.
(or infinite) number of steps of correct emulation.

> doesn't prove that the machie being 
> simulated is non-halting.
> 
> All you are proving is that the DDs that are provable to be non-halting 
> are built to refute HHs that never answer about them.
> 
>>
>> _DD()
>> [00001c22] 55         push ebp
>> [00001c23] 8bec       mov ebp,esp
>> [00001c25] 51         push ecx
>> [00001c26] 8b4508     mov eax,[ebp+08]
>> [00001c29] 50         push eax        ; push DD 1c22
>> [00001c2a] 8b4d08     mov ecx,[ebp+08]
>> [00001c2d] 51         push ecx        ; push DD 1c22
>> [00001c2e] e80ff7ffff call 00001342   ; call HH
>> [00001c33] 83c408     add esp,+08
>> [00001c36] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax
>> [00001c39] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
>> [00001c3d] 7402       jz 00001c41
>> [00001c3f] ebfe       jmp 00001c3f
>> [00001c41] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04]
>> [00001c44] 8be5       mov esp,ebp
>> [00001c46] 5d         pop ebp
>> [00001c47] c3         ret
>> Size in bytes:(0038) [00001c47]
>>
>>
>>
> 

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