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From: Titus G <noone@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: Deep focus on Freemason forms found in Forbidden Planet
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 16:56:41 +1200
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On 4/06/24 09:18, Cryptoengineer wrote:
> On 6/3/2024 1:07 AM, Titus G wrote:
>> On 3/06/24 11:28, David Duffy wrote:
>>> John Savard <quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:
>>>> I didn't have to know anything about Freemasonry to suspect the
>>>> original post was nonsense.
>>>> However, what little I do know allowed me to spot the references to
>>>> Freemasonry in Robert A. Heinlein's story "If This Goes On...".
>>>> So Freemasonry has been referenced in SF.
>>>>
>>> I am suspicious that there might be references to Freemasonry in
>>> Ada Palmer's _Terra Ignota_ series.
>>
>> I know little about Freemasonry but Terra Ignota did feature a secret
>> society amongst the aristocracy that placed loyalty above principle.
>> However women were rated more highly than kitchen appliances.
>> And obedience wasn't enforced with ritual.
> 
> Your first statemeny 'I know little about freemasonry' is correct, and
> the rest the paragraph gives examples proving that.

> Freemasonry has members from all classes - the dues are pretty low. Yes,
> we have aristocrats. We also have truck drivers.
> 

You have misunderstood. I will elaborate. There are overt references to
Freemasonry in Terra Ignota though I assumed that the secret society
aspect alluded to by David Duffy is referring specifically to the covert
aristocratic group in Terra Ignota rather than aristocracy membership
being a prerequisite applicable to Freemasonry membership in general.

> Loyalty is encouraged, but not the extent doing wrong by non-members.

The Freemason stereotype, (where there is smoke, there is fire), values
loyalty above principle. The literary cliche is a Masonic judge excusing
a Masonic accused but influence in commerce would be more prevalent.

> Women are honored, they just can't join regular Masonry.

Nor can other honoured household appliances :p