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From: RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Do Microsoft?s Copilot+ PCs Require Linux?
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 09:02:42 -0000 (UTC)
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On 2024-06-04, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-06-03 7:53 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-06-03, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-03 7:01 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-06-03, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-06-03 11:13 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-06-03, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-06-02 6:09 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-06-02, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-06-02 2:27 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 07:50:28 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I apologize to everyone but you about what I just wrote. I am frustrated
>>>>>>>>>>> that even in 2024 and having done research into the right distribution
>>>>>>>>>>> for my needs, I am yet again disgusted by the result. I love everything
>>>>>>>>>>> about Linux but the result, yet again, is pure demoralization. To read
>>>>>>>>>>> this idiotic zealot's words and his delusion that any of those 1990s
>>>>>>>>>>> UNIX distributions were actually pretty simply add salt to the wound.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is the very limited gamer distro that you tried to install? You can
>>>>>>>>>> always tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs.  I regularly update
>>>>>>>>>> Debian, Ubuntu, Lubuntu, and Fedora distros without all that drama.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's Fedora with tweaks. If you point to it as being bad, you might as
>>>>>>>>> well point to Fedora at the same time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That makes no sense. You can't blame Fedora for tweaks that break it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The tweaks are specifically to make sure that anyone wanting to play
>>>>>>> games would be able to do so. It provides easy installation for things
>>>>>>> that will make Xbox One controllers work, help compatibility for Steam
>>>>>>> games, and the software which will help you access your gaming library
>>>>>>> from within Linux. Otherwise, it is just Fedora. It wasn't the tweaks
>>>>>>> that broke anything; it's Fedora that just committed suicide.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It doesn't follow. Fedora works. Someone tweaks it and renames it as a new
>>>>>> distribution and it doesn't work for you. How do you blame Fedora for that?
>>>>>> I'm guessing the choices made by the developers of this new distribution
>>>>>> worked for their machines, but not necessarily for your machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Considering how often this happens and how using the original
>>>>> distribution ends up doing the same, I won't bother playing this game.
>>>>> Every time someone faces a problem, it's "not me" or "use this other
>>>>> distribution." Then, when people prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that
>>>>> whatever they are facing is definitely a bug in the distribution and not
>>>>> imaginary, everyone goes silent and definitely doesn't apologize. It's
>>>>> tiresome. The reason Windows and Mac are winning is because they're
>>>>> knights fighting a battle with a diseased peasant. It's a battle between
>>>>> elephants and a chihuahua that is unaware of its own size.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm just so tired of this. Almost three decades later and nothing's changed.
>>>>
>>>> Windows and Mac are winning (on the desktop only) because of innertia. Most
>>>> people don't even know there is another choice. When they go to Best Buy
>>>> they see Windows and Mac OS.
>>>>
>>>> The Copilot Recall crap might make some users look elsewhere.
>>>
>>> Windows and Mac are winning because they are just as pretty as they are
>>> functional. Both are comprehensible, both are repairable and both have a
>>> humongous library of decent software and stellar hardware bundled with
>>> them. Linux is what I offer to people whose hardware can no longer run
>>> the mainstream operating systems well anymore. Most of the time, the
>>> people don't mind it but they don't become enamored with it either. In
>>> most cases, they can't wait to be able to upgrade and use Windows or
>>> MacOS again.
>> 
>> You're responding to someone who has been using Linux exclusively for
>> closing on 20 years. To me Windows and Mac OS are close to incomprehensible.
>> Or at least a pain the butt to use with directories that seem convoluted and
>> weird. The Windows Registry and updating procedure is just stupid bad. Linux
>> provides all the applications I need and, if I bought a brand new computer,
>> I would still use Linux. Especially now with Microsoft going whole hog into
>> AI crap.
>> 
>> It is an advantage, of course, that Linux will run on just about any machine
>> (including the newest ones). As for your use of it, you're kind of like I
>> was when I first experimented with Linux, over 20 years ago. I was trying to
>> make it work like Windows. So I would use it for a while and then go back to
>> Windows. It was only after I committed myself to learning and using Linux
>> (and only Linux) that I stuck with it long enough to really learn it. I've
>> appreciated it ever since and have zero desire to go ever go back to
>> Windows.
>> 
>> Of course I wasn't trying to play games on Linux — so that's a whole another
>> issue. Maybe I would have never gone to Linux if I was a game player. Who
>> knows.
>> 
>> As for your friends who like Windows or Mac when they can afford it instead
>> of Linux, obviously applications that only run on these OSes are important
>> to them. They're not important to me as I never liked bloated Microsoft crap
>> applications even when I did use Windows.
>
> Again, this particular Linux distribution failed before I even managed 
> to get to a point where I could install a game to test it out. It failed 
> to do what it was designed to do, even though the user followed the 
> instructions as they were presented in the distribution's welcome popup 
> window.

I understand. But I know Fedora works. I have zero experience with Nobara. 
Obviously there are issues with it.

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