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Subject: Re: What you need to know about the covid vaccines
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 06:11:37 -0400
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On 6/3/2024 9:23 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:
> 
>> On 6/2/2024 7:52 PM, Shadow wrote:
>>> On Sun, 02 Jun 2024 19:10:02 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9428332/
>>> Myocarditis/pericarditis Events per 10.000 patients.
>>> Moderna		2.6
>>> Placebo		3.3
>>> 	I'm lucky I chose Sinovac, and not that nasty(possibly
>>> communist/Biden sponsored) Placebo vaccine.
>>
>> I'm getting suspicious that placebos aren't as effective as they're
>> claimed to be!   ;-)
> 
> One has to be a little careful about "placebos" in vaccine trials.  I
> can't be arsed to check this one, but "active" placebos are now the
> fashion, meaning shots that produce some reaction similar to the vaccine
> under test.  They do this by including some of the same ingredients,
> such as adjuvants, which are essentially compounds that rile up the
> immune system, making it more likely to react to the antigens proper.

That isn't what active placebos do, and they aren't 'in fashion'.

 From 2017
https://www.jclinepi.com/article/S0895-4356(16)30308-0/abstract
"Active placebos are control interventions that mimic the side effects 
of the experimental interventions in randomized trials "
"The prevalence of trials with active placebo groups published in 2013 
was 1 out of 200"

 From 2020
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36877132/
"Trials rarely use active placebo controls, which contain 
pharmacological compounds designed to mimic the non-therapeutic 
experimental drug effects in order to reduce the risk of unblinding."

Contrary to what many in this forum choose to believe, not _everything_ 
is a conspiracy.