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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes <noreply@example.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: How Partial Simulations correctly determine non-halting --- Ben's strawman deception Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2024 17:57:42 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <v3q8um$34b9u$6@i2pn2.org> References: <v3j20v$3gm10$2@dont-email.me> <J_CdnTaA96jxpcD7nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <87h6eamkgf.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <v3kcdj$3stk9$1@dont-email.me> <v3l7uo$13cp$8@dont-email.me> <v3lcat$228t$3@dont-email.me> <v3mq9j$chc3$1@dont-email.me> <v3mrli$chc4$1@dont-email.me> <_gWdnbwuZPJP2sL7nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <v3nkqr$h7f9$3@dont-email.me> <v3oeh5$jthg$2@dont-email.me> <v3of8e$lirl$1@dont-email.me> <v3ofld$jthh$1@dont-email.me> <v3oh8l$pi6u$3@dont-email.me> <v3ohkh$jthg$4@dont-email.me> <87frtr6867.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <v3pkig$v133$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2024 17:57:42 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3288382"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 2499 Lines: 24 Am Wed, 05 Jun 2024 07:09:52 -0500 schrieb olcott: > On 6/5/2024 4:38 AM, Ben Bacarisse wrote: >> John Smith <news2@immibis.com> writes: >> >>> Then increase the stack space until it doesn't run out. Turing >>> machines can't run out of stack space unless you programmed them >>> wrong. >> >> A Turing machine can't run out of stack space because there is no >> stack. >> That's like saying a polynomial has limited precision if you evaluate >> it badly. It's the evaluation that's wrong, not the polynomial. I >> know what you mean, but having talked to maths crank on Usenet for >> years, one thing I would caution against is being slowly sucked into >> the cranks bad use of technical terms. > When theory of computation questions are analyzed on physical machines > having physical memory running out is stack space is possible, thus > changing to subject to something else as a type of rebuttal is still the > strawman deception. The halting problem with limited memory is boring. Theory is not concerned with physical problems. -- joes