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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes <noreply@example.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Halting Problem is wrong two different ways Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2024 18:33:14 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <v3qb1a$34b9u$14@i2pn2.org> References: <v3j20v$3gm10$2@dont-email.me> <J_CdnTaA96jxpcD7nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <87h6eamkgf.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <v3kcdj$3stk9$1@dont-email.me> <v3kjs9$3u7ng$1@dont-email.me> <v3l16f$5d3$4@dont-email.me> <v3mj84$bq2d$1@dont-email.me> <v3njiv$gatu$9@dont-email.me> <v3og5t$328ec$9@i2pn2.org> <v3oh4q$pi6u$2@dont-email.me> <v3ohim$jthg$3@dont-email.me> <v3ohql$pi6u$4@dont-email.me> <v3q5pt$q84p$2@dont-email.me> <v3q63u$122u1$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2024 18:33:14 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3288382"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 2630 Lines: 23 Am Wed, 05 Jun 2024 12:09:18 -0500 schrieb olcott: > On 6/5/2024 12:03 PM, John Smith wrote: >> On 5/06/24 04:16, olcott wrote: >>> On 6/4/2024 9:12 PM, John Smith wrote: >>>> On 5/06/24 04:05, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 6/4/2024 8:48 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > (6) Can Carol correctly answer “no” to this question? > Let's ask Carol. If she says “yes”, she's saying that “no” is the > correct answer for her, so “yes” is incorrect. If she says “no”, she's > saying that she cannot correctly answer “no”, which is her answer. We > are assuming for this and all subsequent questions that the only > acceptable answers are “yes” and “no”, and in this case, both answers > are incorrect. Carol cannot answer the question correctly. Now let's ask > Dave. He says “no”, and he is correct because Carol cannot correctly > answer “no”. So (6) is subjective because it is a consistent, > satisfiable specification for some agent (anyone other than Carol), and > an inconsistent, unsatisfiable specification for some agent (Carol). But that's like running a different machine. That's not interesting. We wanted to see a machine that can answer ALL questions. This one was specifically constructed to be unanswerable by this machine. The equivalent translation would be "Can YOU answer No?". -- joes