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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Halting Problem is wrong two different ways Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2024 19:51:09 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <v3qtld$354ia$2@i2pn2.org> References: <v3j20v$3gm10$2@dont-email.me> <J_CdnTaA96jxpcD7nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <87h6eamkgf.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <v3kcdj$3stk9$1@dont-email.me> <v3kjs9$3u7ng$1@dont-email.me> <v3l16f$5d3$4@dont-email.me> <v3mj84$bq2d$1@dont-email.me> <v3njiv$gatu$9@dont-email.me> <v3p37n$sb6j$1@dont-email.me> <v3poj0$v133$6@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2024 23:51:09 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3314250"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 In-Reply-To: <v3poj0$v133$6@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2467 Lines: 31 On 6/5/24 9:18 AM, olcott wrote: > H(D,D) cannot possibly return the halt status of D(D) because > D calls H in recursive simulation thus forcing the behavior of > D correctly simulated by H to be different than the behavior of > the directly executed D(D). So, you admit that HH can not actualy be a Halt Decider if it can not correctly return that halt status of the machine described by its input, which is the task of a halt Decide > > Requiring H(D,D) to return the halt status of D(D) is exactly > the same as requiring sum(3,4) to return the sum of 5 + 6. Nope, because H WAS given D, and D as input, so needs to answer about D(D). Sum(3, 4) was not given 5 and 6 as input, so shouldn't answer about those, but that is EXACTLY what you say H should be doing, when H is asked aobut H(D,D) where D calls that H, you say H shoudl actualanswer about D'(D') as if it was called as H(D',D') where D' is built from a DIFFERENT decider H', that doesn't abort. > > *This unequivocally proves the behavior of DD correctly simulated by HH* > https://liarparadox.org/DD_correctly_simulated_by_HH_is_Proven.pdf > > Nope, you are just proving that you are nothing but a pathological liar with a reckless disregard for the truth.