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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Halting Problem is wrong two different ways --very stupid Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2024 11:52:05 +0300 Organization: - Lines: 33 Message-ID: <v3rtbl$1ef5s$1@dont-email.me> References: <v3j20v$3gm10$2@dont-email.me> <J_CdnTaA96jxpcD7nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <87h6eamkgf.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <v3kcdj$3stk9$1@dont-email.me> <v3kjs9$3u7ng$1@dont-email.me> <v3l16f$5d3$4@dont-email.me> <v3mj84$bq2d$1@dont-email.me> <v3njiv$gatu$9@dont-email.me> <v3og5t$328ec$9@i2pn2.org> <v3oh4q$pi6u$2@dont-email.me> <v3ohim$jthg$3@dont-email.me> <v3ohql$pi6u$4@dont-email.me> <v3q5pt$q84p$2@dont-email.me> <v3q63u$122u1$1@dont-email.me> <v3qb1a$34b9u$14@i2pn2.org> <v3r5ov$1at2m$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2024 10:52:05 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="fffd95362214e16f0669e0987f250f28"; logging-data="1522876"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18pnD1qMD743xKjlkJywEYV" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:1P5Qx9Ce5BaLSuq+Ix61HcggN8k= Bytes: 2896 On 2024-06-06 02:09:35 +0000, olcott said: > On 6/5/2024 1:33 PM, joes wrote: >> Am Wed, 05 Jun 2024 12:09:18 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>> On 6/5/2024 12:03 PM, John Smith wrote: >>>> On 5/06/24 04:16, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 6/4/2024 9:12 PM, John Smith wrote: >>>>>> On 5/06/24 04:05, olcott wrote: >>>>>>> On 6/4/2024 8:48 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> (6) Can Carol correctly answer “no” to this question? >>> Let's ask Carol. If she says “yes”, she's saying that “no” is the >>> correct answer for her, so “yes” is incorrect. If she says “no”, she's >>> saying that she cannot correctly answer “no”, which is her answer. We >>> are assuming for this and all subsequent questions that the only >>> acceptable answers are “yes” and “no”, and in this case, both answers >>> are incorrect. Carol cannot answer the question correctly. Now let's ask >>> Dave. He says “no”, and he is correct because Carol cannot correctly >>> answer “no”. So (6) is subjective because it is a consistent, >>> satisfiable specification for some agent (anyone other than Carol), and >>> an inconsistent, unsatisfiable specification for some agent (Carol). > >> But that's like running a different machine. That's not interesting. >> We wanted to see a machine that can answer ALL questions. > > To expect a correct answer to an incorrect question has > always been very stupid. To call a question incorrect just because one stupid machine cannot correctly answer it is stupid. -- Mikko