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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: ornott <news2@immibis.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: At least 100 people kept denying the easily verified fact Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2024 18:48:08 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 44 Message-ID: <v3sp88$1infa$1@dont-email.me> References: <v3o2dj$jm9q$1@dont-email.me> <v3og6b$328ec$10@i2pn2.org> <v3ogh9$pi6u$1@dont-email.me> <v3oi5t$328ec$13@i2pn2.org> <v3oifv$psat$1@dont-email.me> <v3ojg2$328eb$1@i2pn2.org> <v3ok3p$q2fh$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2024 18:48:09 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="eebb440f736cc82db8a314593242fdfb"; logging-data="1662442"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1//KmrL1XHNuKQrePhfZ59t" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:hmTUrrkOsvm9oW+AK75nAr2s7GA= In-Reply-To: <v3ok3p$q2fh$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2844 On 5/06/24 04:55, olcott wrote: > On 6/4/2024 9:45 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 6/4/24 10:28 PM, olcott wrote: >>> On 6/4/2024 9:22 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>> On 6/4/24 9:54 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 6/4/2024 8:48 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>> On 6/4/24 5:53 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>> https://liarparadox.org/DD_correctly_simulated_by_HH_is_Proven.pdf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At least 100 people kept denying the easily verified fact that >>>>>>> the above >>>>>>> link conclusively proves that DD <is> correctly simulated by HH. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It has been just like I smash a Boston cream pie in their face >>>>>>> and they >>>>>>> persistently deny that there ever was any pie as this pie drips from >>>>>>> their face. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The problem iks you use the WRONG DEFINITION of "Simulated >>>>>> Correctly" to allow the simulation to say anything about the >>>>>> behavior of the machine being simulated. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *I conclusively proved otherwise in the above link* >>>> >>>> You CAN'T provd that a definition is wrong. >>>> >>> >>> *Try and provide a counter-example or implicitly admit that you cannot* >>> *Try and provide a counter-example or implicitly admit that you cannot* >>> *Try and provide a counter-example or implicitly admit that you cannot* >> >> What are you asking for a counter example of? >> > > The machine description of DD specifies that it does not halt to > simulating halt decider HH and you already know that you cannot > possibly prove otherwise. The machine description of DD specifies (to everyone) that it halts if HH(DD,DD) returns 0.