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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: OrangeFish <OrangeFish@invalid.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: architectural goals, Byte Addressability And Beyond Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2024 16:24:03 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 33 Message-ID: <v3t5t3$1l78m$1@dont-email.me> References: <v0s17o$2okf4$2@dont-email.me> <v38opv$1gsj2$3@dont-email.me> <v38riq$1aqo$1@gal.iecc.com> <niki5jps7jn2qfkj0t3s2t82qmrjoc97pi@4ax.com> <v3d9bh$s9a$2@gal.iecc.com> <gf6l5jtdreabgsud0qss6fu0cs17udisdb@4ax.com> <v3ejn5$2m8fn$1@dont-email.me> <v3lqo9$48om$4@dont-email.me> <soE7O.5245$Ktt5.2694@fx40.iad> <v3o7ot$kfrm$5@dont-email.me> <cme26jttmuh5i0l31fo5ch18g221oku84q@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2024 22:24:04 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="94eeadd16445324d2be13f157df5f1cb"; logging-data="1744150"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18Gvh7E8Sij/z6dtE/L8Fuk/2DtyNIcPtM=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.11.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:fk8h8tcPPX/kWlGVXrHZLHBsmyU= In-Reply-To: <cme26jttmuh5i0l31fo5ch18g221oku84q@4ax.com> Content-Language: en-CA Bytes: 2784 On 2024-06-06 00:42, George Neuner wrote: > On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 23:25:18 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro > <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> On Tue, 04 Jun 2024 13:11:52 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote: >> >>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: >>> >>>> On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 07:47:49 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig wrote: >>>> >>>>> One of the main selling points [of zSeries] is the hardware >>>>> reliability ... >>>> >>>> Quite an expensive way to get reliability. How does an outfit like >>>> Google achieve essentially 0% downtime? By running a swarm of half a >>>> million commodity servers, that’s how. >>> >>> And that's not expensive? >> >> Consider the equivalent number of mainframes, with their inbuilt >> diagnostics capabilities etc, to match that reliability. > > Can't find it now and don't remember many details, but ... > > A long time ago, there was a story going around about Microsoft vs IBM > regarding the day-to-day operation of their company web sites. It > claimed that Microsoft was running a ~1000 machine server farm with a > crew of ~100, whereas IBM was running 3 mainframes with a crew of ~10. Not the story but this reminds me of Microsoft Scalability Day: https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/scalability-day-falls-short/ OF.