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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Cycling editorial Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2024 12:43:03 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 27 Message-ID: <v3uo7n$20kq1$2@dont-email.me> References: <uvpvju$21444$5@dont-email.me> <1h612jhg8dn78cu521rk4jqq7dv141jrub@4ax.com> <uvre13$2aocg$1@dont-email.me> <fti22j1i4df5qd24e1o9hvm6eu0vu251h1@4ax.com> <KdxUN.1801$cEa4.1038@fx07.iad> <uvuu75$38gd9$2@dont-email.me> <uvv937$3e6j5$1@dont-email.me> <KHeVN.24443$Dfwf.1642@fx12.iad> <nm0b2j9i21u3suviv1ntapk2l2ah667c0b@4ax.com> <v06ahk$11r52$3@dont-email.me> <ik68O.47902$Dsz1.42317@fx14.iad> <53426jljqqaj2j2qp42rueeamdtee67bgo@4ax.com> <v3s71r$1frji$1@dont-email.me> <hrp36j5qiso63rauf7cialclork5hqkvao@4ax.com> <v3t6tc$1ksio$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2024 12:43:03 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="89fb24aa59e2c46f5339bb2afcee9fe0"; logging-data="2118465"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+Z7kXTlavWJCt5JjY4oQKH" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:VNti4hD1qmhkFNFdm2py5eE522o= In-Reply-To: <v3t6tc$1ksio$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2725 Am 06.06.2024 um 22:41 schrieb Zen Cycle: > On 6/6/2024 1:03 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: >> Thanks for the details. I don't want to tell my tale of stock market >> woe. I lost badly in the "black Monday" crash in 1987 and repeated >> the mistake (to a lesser degree) with the dot-com bubble in 2000. I >> did well in the 1990's but stayed in the market too long. Since then, >> I've been risk averse and have avoided any investments in the stock >> market. Avoiding the stock market may soon turn into another mistake >> as my savings are rapidly being eroded by inflation. It's not a >> pretty picture, but at least I have no debt and I have enough cash to >> survive. > > It's a guessing game for the vast majority of casual investors. In some > cases little better than a casino. The best "casual" investment tip definitely was around by 1995 (website "the motley fool"): Buy individual shares only for gambling. Invest into index funds following a very broad index (e.g. S&P 500 or MSCI world index) and hold for a minimum of 20 years. This way, the crashes in 1987, 2001 and 2008 would have been relatively unimportant. Rolf "followed through after the 2008 crash once ETF existed"