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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: How Partial Simulations correctly determine non-halting ---Ben's 10/2022 analysis Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2024 10:05:11 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 50 Message-ID: <v3v7j8$242e9$2@dont-email.me> References: <v3j20v$3gm10$2@dont-email.me> <J_CdnTaA96jxpcD7nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <87h6eamkgf.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <v3kcdj$3stk9$1@dont-email.me> <v3l7uo$13cp$8@dont-email.me> <v3lcat$228t$3@dont-email.me> <v3mq9j$chc3$1@dont-email.me> <v3mrli$chc4$1@dont-email.me> <_gWdnbwuZPJP2sL7nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <v3nkqr$h7f9$3@dont-email.me> <v3p4ka$sk6h$1@dont-email.me> <v3pp7p$v133$8@dont-email.me> <v3s27e$1f9kd$1@dont-email.me> <v3sf1n$1gra7$11@dont-email.me> <v3sjo9$1ialb$1@dont-email.me> <v3skoo$1iedv$1@dont-email.me> <v3u9ej$1v7rn$1@dont-email.me> <v3v6i7$23l33$1@dont-email.me> <v3v70o$21qlc$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2024 17:05:12 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="ad5aa88e540ea762834522b410d9de6a"; logging-data="2230729"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19+pQiv+XEYZrair7KdLLmL" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:dM1MXlJ9h6MuLfHrfXGg3HNTRDo= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v3v70o$21qlc$3@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3328 On 6/7/2024 9:55 AM, Python wrote: > Le 07/06/2024 à 16:47, olcott a écrit : >> ... Turing machines can only take finite string >> inputs thus cannot take Turing machines as inputs. > > WTF??? Since then a Turing machine cannot be represented > as a finite string? > Turing machines can take a finite string machine description of the computation that contains themselves they cannot the computation that actually contains themselves. It anyone is paying 100% complete attention then they will see that the there is no correct rebuttal to the following. Try to show how this DD correctly simulated by any HH ever stops running without having its simulation aborted by HH. _DD() [00001e12] 55 push ebp [00001e13] 8bec mov ebp,esp [00001e15] 51 push ecx [00001e16] 8b4508 mov eax,[ebp+08] [00001e19] 50 push eax ; push DD [00001e1a] 8b4d08 mov ecx,[ebp+08] [00001e1d] 51 push ecx ; push DD [00001e1e] e85ff5ffff call 00001382 ; call HH >> The issue here is that I proved that DD correctly simulated >> by HH has different behavior than the directly executed >> DD(DD) and everyone's "rebuttal" to this proof is to simply >> ignore it. > > "correctly simulated" has "different than directly executed" > When you actually try to form a rebuttal of the above you will see that I am correct. So far everyone simply ignores the proof that I am correct as their only rebuttal. > This is dementia at the higher degree. > > -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer