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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: At least 100 people kept denying the easily verified fact --- last communication with Richard Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:00:45 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <v403et$39ri6$15@i2pn2.org> References: <v3o2dj$jm9q$1@dont-email.me> <v3r914$354i9$7@i2pn2.org> <v3r9ds$1b96e$1@dont-email.me> <v3rb52$354ia$7@i2pn2.org> <v3rbaj$1bg3t$1@dont-email.me> <v3rc4m$354i9$8@i2pn2.org> <v3rcgn$1bpcn$1@dont-email.me> <v3rcks$354i9$9@i2pn2.org> <v3rd3r$1bsem$1@dont-email.me> <v3s5g6$36git$2@i2pn2.org> <v3sc8c$1gra7$2@dont-email.me> <v3tq33$388rj$13@i2pn2.org> <v3tstr$1td1o$2@dont-email.me> <v3tuqh$388ri$1@i2pn2.org> <v3v0qj$22vrk$1@dont-email.me> <v3v85d$39ri5$11@i2pn2.org> <v3vacl$242e9$8@dont-email.me> <v3vh9l$a5e$2@news.muc.de> <v3vhvq$25ojk$2@dont-email.me> <v3vj8p$39ri6$7@i2pn2.org> <v3vk9b$266aq$2@dont-email.me> <8c92495d4433776d8ddc4706fb1de05b245f5829.camel@gmail.com> <v3vn5u$26d04$1@dont-email.me> <v3vs5l$3ao52$4@i2pn2.org> <v401b1$287qb$7@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2024 23:00:45 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3468870"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird In-Reply-To: <v401b1$287qb$7@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 4101 Lines: 58 On 6/7/24 6:24 PM, olcott wrote: > On 6/7/2024 3:56 PM, joes wrote: >> Am Fri, 07 Jun 2024 14:31:10 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>> On 6/7/2024 1:57 PM, wij wrote: >>>> On Fri, 2024-06-07 at 13:41 -0500, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 6/7/2024 1:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>> On 6/7/24 2:02 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>> On 6/7/2024 12:50 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>>>>>>> In comp.theory olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyone claiming that HH should report on the behavior of the >>>>>>> directly executed DD(DD) is requiring a violation of the above >>>>>>> definition of correct simulation. >>>>>>> >>>>>> And thus you admit that HH is not a Halt Decider, >>>>> >>>> The Halting Problem asks for a program H (precisely a TM) that: >>>> IF H(D,D)==1, THEN D(D) will return. >>>> ELSE If H(D,D)==0, THEN D(D) will never return. >>>> ELSE HP is undecidable >>>> >>> When we can show that even in the halting problem HH is only required to >>> report on the behavior of DD correctly simulated by HH these dishonest >>> people merely use that as another deflection point for their dishonesty. >>> The way around this that just worked is to stay diligently focused one >>> one single point until the dishonest people finally admit that they have >>> simply ignored all the proofs for three solid years. > > >> "only" It must report on the behaviour of DD, which must be the same when >> simulated. It can't simulate something different and say "look! My result >> simulating this is right, because it is my result!". >> > > The most persistent false assumption that cannot possibly > be corrected without expertise in the x86 programming language. > Some people here have that. You seem confused. I haven't seen ANYONE complain about any x86 instruciton actually simulated. The complaints have always been about those NOT simulated by your system, like the CALL H instruction. You STILL Haven't published any results that match your current definition of correct simulation. > >>> The fact that the execution trace of P derived by the executed H and the >>> simulated H exactly matches the machine code of P proves that each >>> instruction of P was simulated correctly and in the correct order this >>> conclusively proves that P is correctly simulated by both of these >>> instances of H. >> Does the called H also match? >> >