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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: At least 100 people kept denying the easily verified fact --- last communication with Richard Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2024 18:09:26 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 60 Message-ID: <v403v6$2965i$2@dont-email.me> References: <v3o2dj$jm9q$1@dont-email.me> <v3r914$354i9$7@i2pn2.org> <v3r9ds$1b96e$1@dont-email.me> <v3rb52$354ia$7@i2pn2.org> <v3rbaj$1bg3t$1@dont-email.me> <v3rc4m$354i9$8@i2pn2.org> <v3rcgn$1bpcn$1@dont-email.me> <v3rcks$354i9$9@i2pn2.org> <v3rd3r$1bsem$1@dont-email.me> <v3s5g6$36git$2@i2pn2.org> <v3sc8c$1gra7$2@dont-email.me> <v3tq33$388rj$13@i2pn2.org> <v3tstr$1td1o$2@dont-email.me> <v3tuqh$388ri$1@i2pn2.org> <v3v0qj$22vrk$1@dont-email.me> <v3v85d$39ri5$11@i2pn2.org> <v3vacl$242e9$8@dont-email.me> <v3vh9l$a5e$2@news.muc.de> <v3vhvq$25ojk$2@dont-email.me> <v3vj8p$39ri6$7@i2pn2.org> <v3vk9b$266aq$2@dont-email.me> <8c92495d4433776d8ddc4706fb1de05b245f5829.camel@gmail.com> <v3vn5u$26d04$1@dont-email.me> <v3vs5l$3ao52$4@i2pn2.org> <v401b1$287qb$7@dont-email.me> <v403et$39ri6$15@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2024 01:09:27 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="99ea1b6838dd1404bad406fc122dbf0f"; logging-data="2398386"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19sfXOAniB67ND60cLVgIz2" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:vsJXvjlZ14oYFRUzM7H+Lvtwg8U= In-Reply-To: <v403et$39ri6$15@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 4101 On 6/7/2024 6:00 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 6/7/24 6:24 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 6/7/2024 3:56 PM, joes wrote: >>> Am Fri, 07 Jun 2024 14:31:10 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>> On 6/7/2024 1:57 PM, wij wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 2024-06-07 at 13:41 -0500, olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 6/7/2024 1:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>> On 6/7/24 2:02 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>> On 6/7/2024 12:50 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>>>>>>>> In comp.theory olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anyone claiming that HH should report on the behavior of the >>>>>>>> directly executed DD(DD) is requiring a violation of the above >>>>>>>> definition of correct simulation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> And thus you admit that HH is not a Halt Decider, >>>>>> >>>>> The Halting Problem asks for a program H (precisely a TM) that: >>>>> IF H(D,D)==1, THEN D(D) will return. >>>>> ELSE If H(D,D)==0, THEN D(D) will never return. >>>>> ELSE HP is undecidable >>>>> >>>> When we can show that even in the halting problem HH is only >>>> required to >>>> report on the behavior of DD correctly simulated by HH these dishonest >>>> people merely use that as another deflection point for their >>>> dishonesty. >>>> The way around this that just worked is to stay diligently focused one >>>> one single point until the dishonest people finally admit that they >>>> have >>>> simply ignored all the proofs for three solid years. >> > >>> "only" It must report on the behaviour of DD, which must be the same >>> when >>> simulated. It can't simulate something different and say "look! My >>> result >>> simulating this is right, because it is my result!". >>> >> >> The most persistent false assumption that cannot possibly >> be corrected without expertise in the x86 programming language. >> Some people here have that. > > You seem confused. > > > I haven't seen ANYONE complain about any x86 instruciton actually > simulated. > > The complaints have always been about those NOT simulated by your > system, like the CALL H instruction. > Do you want to see the full 251 pages showing that the call H was simulated? -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer