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From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic
Subject: Re: At least 100 people kept denying the easily verified fact --
 closure
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2024 21:42:05 -0400
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On 6/7/24 9:26 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 6/7/2024 8:08 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 6/7/24 8:52 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 6/7/2024 7:47 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>> On 6/7/24 8:32 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 6/7/2024 6:57 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/7/24 7:51 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/7/2024 6:21 PM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>> Am Fri, 07 Jun 2024 17:35:24 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2024 5:22 PM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Am Fri, 07 Jun 2024 17:11:00 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>> That it is literally impossible to prove that the following 
>>>>>>>>>>> is false
>>>>>>>>>>> conclusively proves that it is true and the proof really need 
>>>>>>>>>>> not be
>>>>>>>>>>> wrapped in any tuxedo.
>>>>>>>> Why do you care about rebuttals if you don't even consider them 
>>>>>>>> possible?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Until other people understand that I am correct my words are
>>>>>>> too difficult to be understood making publication impossible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We can get on to other key points only after we have closure 
>>>>>>>>>>> on this
>>>>>>>>>>> {foundation of simulating halt deciders} point.
>>>>>>>>>> What do you need closure for? You only want agreement.
>>>>>>>>> I must get closure on each of the four points of my proof so 
>>>>>>>>> that I know
>>>>>>>>> that my words can possibly be understood. Without this 
>>>>>>>>> publication is
>>>>>>>>> hopeless.
>>>>>>>> Publication IS hopeless. As far as your words can be understood, 
>>>>>>>> they are
>>>>>>>> wrong. You could just post all of them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My words only seem wrong on the basis of a false religious
>>>>>>> belief of the nature of correct simulation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, most of your words are just wrong. (at least when you try to 
>>>>>> talk about the actual theorems you are talking about).
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That by itself shows a reckless disregard for the truth when
>>>>> taken within the context that you refuse to even look at the
>>>>> proof that my most important words are correct.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/5/2024 10:58 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>  > On 6/5/24 11:44 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >> THIS IS ALL THAT YOU WILL EVER GET TO TALK
>>>>>  >> TO ME ABOUT UNTIL YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT
>>>>>  >> I AM CORRECT OR YOU PROVE THAT I AM INCORRECT
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  > But, as I said, I won't acknowledge that you
>>>>>  > are correct, because I am not willing to put
>>>>>  > that effort into your worthless claim.
>>>>>  >
>>>>>
>>>>> The proof that you refuse to look at proves that my notion of
>>>>> a simulating halt decider does apply to the halting problem
>>>>> proofs. There is one more step to make this proof complete.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> WHAT PROOF?
>>>>
>>>> You haven't given a proof, just a lame arguement.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> That you say my "words are just wrong" making sure to not
>>>>> look at the proof that they are correct <is> actionable.
>>>>> What would your pastor think about you telling these lies?
>>>>>
>>>>> Try to show how this DD correctly simulated by any HH ever
>>>>> stops running without having its simulation aborted by HH.
>>>>
>>>> and who cares?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> OK then I will try and contact your pastor.
>>>
>>
>> To tell him what?
>>
>> That I told a unrepentant sinner that he was going to go to hell?
> 
> Salvation
> We believe that a person is saved by the grace of God through faith in
> Jesus,(Romans 3:23-25). We believe that when a person repents and is
> baptized, their sins are forgiven, they receive the Holy Spirit and they
> are added to Jesus’ church. (Acts 2:38)
> 
> Can salvation be lost?
> Some say yes and some say no.
> 

Yes, that is one of the big questions to be debated.

Your behavior makes me see no evidence that you actually ever got into a 
true state of salvation, so the question is unlikely important to you.