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From: Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com>
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Subject: Re: Do you condemn Hamas?
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2024 20:38:12 -0000 (UTC)
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On Sat, 08 Jun 2024 12:55:18 -0700, john larkin wrote:

> On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 19:30:11 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
> 
>>On 6/8/24 16:45, john larkin wrote:
>>> On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 09:54:42 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
>>> <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 10:43:15 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/8/24 01:37, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 23:57:54 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/7/24 23:11, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
>>>>>>>> Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because
>>>>>>>>>> they are heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed
>>>>>>>>>> martyrs. So for Hamas, killing is always win-win.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor
>>>>>>>>> hell.
>>>>>>>>> Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing.
>>>>>>>>> There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jeroen Belleman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Learn how to do soul travel. It is the most important thing to do
>>>>>>>> this lifetime. It will give you absolute proof there is life past
>>>>>>>> this one,
>>>>>>>> and that you are immortal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know what soul travel is, but I'm sure there is no
>>>>>>> afterlife, just as there was no forelife. There is no soul. My
>>>>>>> existence is the result of an uninterrupted sequence of incredibly
>>>>>>> improbable events, going back billions of years into the past, and
>>>>>>> I will cease to exist,
>>>>>>> never to come back,
>>>>>>> when some essential part of my body fails.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While I'm certainly not looking forward to dying, I'm not afraid
>>>>>>> of being dead. The need to believe in an afterlife is just another
>>>>>>> of those weird religious ideas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeroen Belleman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I'm not religious at all but am convinced there's an
>>>>>> after-life. And that's not just so I can feel all warm and fuzzy. I
>>>>>> actually find the prospect deeply concerning. I'd much rather be
>>>>>> like you in outlook!
>>>>>
>>>>> How did you come to be convinced of the existence of an afterlife,
>>>>> and what kind of experience do you expect to have?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeroen Belleman
>>>>
>>>> I'm afraid that's *way* too big and off-topic a subject for expansion
>>>> on this forum!
>>> 
>>> Designing electronics has obviously suggestions of quantum
>>> consciousness, and even Einstein thought that QM was spooky.
>>> 
>>> Don't give up on miracles quite yet.
>>> 
>>> 
>>You have referred to quantum effects in the brain many times. In as far
>>as the brain is a chemical machine, and that chemistry is basically a
>>manifestation of quantum mechanics, I agree. In practice, QM is just a
>>level too deep in the abstraction stack. Somehow I believe that that is
>>not how you see it. Would you elaborate?
>>
>>
> DNA and RNA and other things aren't flat linear molecules as the
> cartoons suggest. They are twisted and tangled into writhing balls. So
> any sequence gets continuously and randomly rubbed against the rest of
> the string. That's a quantum cross-correlation machine.
> 
>>Much of technology, electronics in particular, is a miracle,
>>though not in the mystical or religious sense.
> 
> I like the Barrie Gilbert essay, "Where do little circuits come from?"
> 
> They are all out there in the infinite solution space, and it's hard to
> explore an infinite space serially.
> 
> There's nothing mystical about a universe that obviously works.

And then the Leftists come along and decide that although it works, it 
works badly and they can fix it - or at least improve it somehow - simply 
by implementing policies which defy nature in an act of ultimate 'magical 
thinking'.