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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes <noreply@example.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: At least 100 people kept denying the easily verified fact --- last communication with Richard Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2024 15:11:18 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <v44gmm$3g17f$1@i2pn2.org> References: <v3o2dj$jm9q$1@dont-email.me> <v3qsi6$354ia$1@i2pn2.org> <v3r1pl$16gjs$1@dont-email.me> <v3r24v$354i9$4@i2pn2.org> <v3r2pb$16lke$1@dont-email.me> <v3r39a$354ia$5@i2pn2.org> <v3r3hd$1ahl1$1@dont-email.me> <v3r6mt$354i9$6@i2pn2.org> <v3r7p2$1b63v$1@dont-email.me> <v3r914$354i9$7@i2pn2.org> <v3r9ds$1b96e$1@dont-email.me> <v3rb52$354ia$7@i2pn2.org> <v3rbaj$1bg3t$1@dont-email.me> <v3rc4m$354i9$8@i2pn2.org> <v3rcgn$1bpcn$1@dont-email.me> <v3rcks$354i9$9@i2pn2.org> <v3rd3r$1bsem$1@dont-email.me> <v3s5g6$36git$2@i2pn2.org> <v3sc8c$1gra7$2@dont-email.me> <v3tq33$388rj$13@i2pn2.org> <v3tstr$1td1o$2@dont-email.me> <v3tuqh$388ri$1@i2pn2.org> <v3v0qj$22vrk$1@dont-email.me> <v3v85d$39ri5$11@i2pn2.org> <v3vacl$242e9$8@dont-email.me> <v3vh9l$a5e$2@news.muc.de> <v3vhvq$25ojk$2@dont-email.me> <v3vj8p$39ri6$7@i2pn2.org> <v3vk9b$266aq$2@dont-email.me> <v40vec$2gqa0$1@dont-email.me> <v41kvu$2jqdk$10@dont-email.me> <v43st3$3cipe$1@dont-email.me> <v44cpn$3harn$7@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2024 15:11:18 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3671279"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 3355 Lines: 46 Am Sun, 09 Jun 2024 09:04:39 -0500 schrieb olcott: > On 6/9/2024 4:33 AM, Mikko wrote: >> On 2024-06-08 13:06:06 +0000, olcott said: >>> On 6/8/2024 1:58 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>> On 2024-06-07 18:41:47 +0000, olcott said: >>>>> On 6/7/2024 1:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>> On 6/7/24 2:02 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>> On 6/7/2024 12:50 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>>>>>>> In comp.theory olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Anyone claiming that HH should report on the behavior of the >>>>>>> directly executed DD(DD) is requiring a violation of the above >>>>>>> definition of correct simulation. >>>>>> And thus you admit that HH is not a Halt Decider, > typedef void (*ptr)(); // pointer to void function > > void HHH(ptr P, ptr I) > { > P(I); return; > } This is not a simulator. > void DDD(int (*x)()) > { > HHH(x, x); return; > } This is not a decider. > int main() > { > HHH(DDD,DDD); > } > > In the above Neither DDD nor HHH ever reach their own return statement > thus never halt. Thus are not deciders. > When HHH is a simulating halt decider then HHH sees that DDD correctly > simulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its own return statement, AKA > simulating halt decider HHH correctly simulates its input DDD until > HHH correctly determines that its simulated DDD would never stop > running unless aborted And aborts it, making it behave differently - namely, terminating. -- joes