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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2024 19:56:14 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 72 Message-ID: <v45ive$3tpr9$2@dont-email.me> References: <v44dle$3i5jo$2@dont-email.me> <v44jvn$3jnc8$3@dont-email.me> <v44qin$3g17f$5@i2pn2.org> <v44ru8$3m841$3@dont-email.me> <v44usm$3g17f$6@i2pn2.org> <v45fq4$3sv37$1@dont-email.me> <v45h1l$3h642$1@i2pn2.org> <v45h88$3tjc2$1@dont-email.me> <v45i42$3h641$2@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2024 02:56:14 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f6820c6f88a6ab7f47362bcc86c8cb3a"; logging-data="4122473"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19XFgxsP2yeMLCH2a8smfJk" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:DJHBeLG8zUvoXJNYqbEVbIJgJjQ= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v45i42$3h641$2@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 3682 On 6/9/2024 7:41 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 6/9/24 8:26 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 6/9/2024 7:23 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 6/9/24 8:02 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 6/9/2024 2:13 PM, joes wrote: >>>>> Am Sun, 09 Jun 2024 13:23:04 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>>>> On 6/9/2024 12:59 PM, joes wrote: >>>>>>> Am Sun, 09 Jun 2024 11:07:19 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>>> typedef void (*ptr)(); // pointer to void function 01 void >>>>>>>> HHH(ptr >>>>>>>> P, ptr I) >>>>>>>> 02 { >>>>>>>> 03 P(I); >>>>>>>> 04 return; >>>>>>>> 05 } >>>>>>>> 06 07 void DDD(int (*x)()) >>>>>>>> 08 { >>>>>>>> 09 HHH(x, x); >>>>>>>> 10 return; >>>>>>>> 11 } >>>>>>>> 12 13 int main() >>>>>>>> 14 { >>>>>>>> 15 HHH(DDD,DDD); >>>>>>>> 16 } >>>>>>>> 17 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In the above Neither DDD nor HHH ever reach their own return >>>>>>>> statement >>>>>>>> thus never halt. >>>>>>>> Most of my reviewers incorrectly believe that when HH(DD,DD) aborts >>>>>>>> its simulated input that this simulated input halts. >>>>>> >>>>>> You chopped out the mandatory prerequisite. >>>>>> Please go back and prove that you understand what infinite >>>>>> recursion is >>>>>> before proceeding. >>>>> Dude, I've got nothing to prove to you. >>>> >>>> OK then we are done talking. >>>> >>>>> You instead could explain how you >>>>> can call a simulation that differs from the direct execution >>>>> "correct". >>>>> Or why H and HH are different. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I could but you refuse to go through the steps of the proof, >>>> one-at-a-time with mutual agreement at each step. >>>> >>>> I am not going to tolerate circular head games that never >>>> result in any mutual agreement. >>>> >>> >>> I.E. Someone else is calling you out on your incorrect logic, so you >>> are threatening to take your ball and go home., >>> >> >> We must go through the steps one-at-a-time and have mutual agreement >> on each step to eliminate miscommunication intentional or otherwise. >> > > So, when someone questions what you mean by something, you need to > clearify the meaning of it. > When someone "questions what you mean by something" by calling me a liar they may go to actual Hell. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer