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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: how Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2024 22:14:58 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 23 Message-ID: <v47ms3$juls$3@dont-email.me> References: <qHqKnNhkFFpow5Tl3Eiz12-8JEI@jntp> <65e48016-ecea-4832-bcdb-a5e3d94a66cd@att.net> <52y9XpKJ6QVz6e8s5Hvt4WK1nmE@jntp> <04ac4aa5-f508-40e1-b14f-0fa9883ac4c0@att.net> <-YYjghxYEV4-kYQzyEEkdPOmx9g@jntp> <d8638801-fa89-4764-ab60-90c690a4dc53@att.net> <cAb6HQm9T104zE20oIGGcWLO1Hk@jntp> <b6b4d308-15de-40e6-9311-d71ae43a32c3@att.net> <NkFdsZiuc0HCFWRQJdPwxCteLT0@jntp> <7d236450-cdb7-43b1-9a62-7b65b8ecb8b3@att.net> <PPU8arsRSrQt3M96aR-73fp-GkU@jntp> Reply-To: invalid@example.invalid MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2024 22:14:59 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="cec4a776cab4459a0800744ea6e81640"; logging-data="654012"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/Gjj4O+U/CdQElGOu8kC1j" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:cH0pYps7msWsiR3r6bC8XdVdeB8= In-Reply-To: <PPU8arsRSrQt3M96aR-73fp-GkU@jntp> Content-Language: de-DE Bytes: 2248 Am 10.06.2024 um 19:50 schrieb WM: > define natural numbers with [...] no undefinable successors. /0/ is the smallest natural number with no undefinable successors (after all, _all_ of its ℵo "successors" are "definable", since all natural numbers are "definable"). > Such numbers exist Ja, Mückenheim, das wissen wir. Die kleinste natürliche Zahl ist z. B. so eine Zahl, duh! > because ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ...} does not leave successors. Nein, das ist nicht der Grund. Hinweis: {1} \ {1, 2, 3} or {1} \ {1, 2, 3, ...} "does not leave successors" either. Andererseits gilt für JEDE Menge M, dass M\M die leere Menge ist, und damit wohl auch keine successors leaven kann (da sie M\M gar keine Elemente enthält). Du bist einfach zu dumm für Mathematik, Mücke.