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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!news.iecc.com!.POSTED.news.iecc.com!not-for-mail From: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: time-sharing history, Privilege Levels Below User Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2024 09:37:32 -0000 (UTC) Organization: Taughannock Networks Message-ID: <v495ss$h57$1@gal.iecc.com> References: <jai66jd4ih4ejmek0abnl4gvg5td4obsqg@4ax.com> <v433n6$34io0$1@dont-email.me> <9Mi9O.54965$vNb3.28546@fx17.iad> <v45b28$3rcpa$7@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2024 09:37:32 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: gal.iecc.com; posting-host="news.iecc.com:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:676f:7373:6970"; logging-data="17575"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@iecc.com" In-Reply-To: <jai66jd4ih4ejmek0abnl4gvg5td4obsqg@4ax.com> <v433n6$34io0$1@dont-email.me> <9Mi9O.54965$vNb3.28546@fx17.iad> <v45b28$3rcpa$7@dont-email.me> Cleverness: some X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test77 (Sep 1, 2010) Originator: johnl@iecc.com (John Levine) Bytes: 2375 Lines: 25 According to Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>: >> I'm quite sure that IBM would disagree with this statement. > >I’m sure they would. But they invented virtualization in CP/CMS because >their attempt at an “interactive timesharing” system, CMS, was only >single-user. There's no need to make up silly stories like this when the actual history is so well documented. CP/CMS was the IBM Cambridge Scientific Center's response to the end of CTSS and the loss of the bid to build Multics. CP and CMS were developed in tandem and it was always a time-sharing system, originally on a modified 360/40, later on a 360/67. For a long time IBM insisted the real time-sharing system was TSS, then later TSO on MVS, while CP was just an unsupported lab curiosity. Eventually they gave in to the obvious, renamed it to VM, ported it to S/370, and made it a real product. The Wikipedia article has lots od details https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_CP/CMS As does this IBM paper on the history of VM https://www.vm.ibm.com/history/50th/vm370ori.pdf -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly