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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic
Subject: Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2024 12:12:28 -0500
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On 6/11/2024 6:47 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 6/11/24 12:31 AM, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/10/2024 10:32 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 6/10/24 10:06 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 6/10/2024 6:16 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 6/9/24 11:54 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> *No one has verified the actual facts of this for THREE YEARS*
>>>>>> *No one has verified the actual facts of this for THREE YEARS*
>>>>>> *No one has verified the actual facts of this for THREE YEARS*
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I guess you are admitting that you claim it as a verified fact 
>>>>> is just a LIE.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/29/2021 2:26 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.theory/c/dTvIY5NX6b4/m/cHR2ZPgPBAAJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> THE ONLY POSSIBLE WAY for D simulated by H to have the same
>>>>>> behavior as the directly executed D(D) is for the instructions
>>>>>> of D to be incorrectly simulated by H (details provided below).
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I guess you are admitting that this means that "D correctly 
>>>>> simulated by H" is NOT a possible equivalent statement for the 
>>>>> behavior of the direct execution of the input as required by the 
>>>>> Halting Problem, so you admit you have been LYING every time you 
>>>>> imply that it is.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _D()
>>>>>> [00000cfc](01)  55                      push ebp
>>>>>> [00000cfd](02)  8bec                    mov ebp,esp
>>>>>> [00000cff](03)  8b4508                  mov eax,[ebp+08]
>>>>>> [00000d02](01)  50                      push eax       ; push D
>>>>>> [00000d03](03)  8b4d08                  mov ecx,[ebp+08]
>>>>>> [00000d06](01)  51                      push ecx       ; push D
>>>>>> [00000d07](05)  e800feffff              call 00000b0c  ; call H
>>>>>> [00000d0c](03)  83c408                  add esp,+08
>>>>>> [00000d0f](02)  85c0                    test eax,eax
>>>>>> [00000d11](02)  7404                    jz 00000d17
>>>>>> [00000d13](02)  33c0                    xor eax,eax
>>>>>> [00000d15](02)  eb05                    jmp 00000d1c
>>>>>> [00000d17](05)  b801000000              mov eax,00000001
>>>>>> [00000d1c](01)  5d                      pop ebp
>>>>>> [00000d1d](01)  c3                      ret
>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0034) [00000d1d]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In order for D simulated by H to have the same behavior as the
>>>>>> directly executed D(D) H must ignore the instruction at machine
>>>>>> address [00000d07]. *That is an incorrect simulation of D*
>>>>>
>>>>> No, H can, and must, simulate the call instruction correctly.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Ah so you finally admit that the directly executed D(D) that*
>>>> *cannot possibly reach this instruction *is not* the behavior*
>>>> *of D correctly simulated by H that reaches this instruction*
>>>> *and simulates H simulating H*
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, I admit that THIS H didn't do it, 
>>
>> *This H does do it*
>> D is correctly simulated by H and H simulates itself simulating D
>> as the above line of code requires.
>>
>> The directly executed D(D) can't possibly reach that line of code
>> thus proving that it has different behavior than D correctly
>> simulated by H.
>>
> 
> WHy do you say the directly executed D(D) Can't reach its return statement?
> 

That is my second big mistake that I am aware of in the last year.

*No one has verified the actual facts of this for THREE YEARS*
*No one has verified the actual facts of this for THREE YEARS*
*No one has verified the actual facts of this for THREE YEARS*

On 5/29/2021 2:26 PM, olcott wrote:
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.theory/c/dTvIY5NX6b4/m/cHR2ZPgPBAAJ

_D()
[00000cfc](01) 55          push ebp
[00000cfd](02) 8bec        mov ebp,esp
[00000cff](03) 8b4508      mov eax,[ebp+08]
[00000d02](01) 50          push eax       ; push D
[00000d03](03) 8b4d08      mov ecx,[ebp+08]
[00000d06](01) 51          push ecx       ; push D
[00000d07](05) e800feffff  call 00000b0c  ; call H
[00000d0c](03) 83c408      add esp,+08
[00000d0f](02) 85c0        test eax,eax
[00000d11](02) 7404        jz 00000d17
[00000d13](02) 33c0        xor eax,eax
[00000d15](02) eb05        jmp 00000d1c
[00000d17](05) b801000000  mov eax,00000001
[00000d1c](01) 5d          pop ebp
[00000d1d](01) c3          ret
Size in bytes:(0034) [00000d1d]

It is impossible for D correctly simulated by H to ever reach
its simulated final state at its own machine address [00000d1d].

People disagree with this by changing the subject to D not simulated
by H as all. They have been indoctrinated into believing that this
strawman deception is correct yet

cannot possibly show the detailed steps of how D correctly simulated
by H can possibly reach its own simulated machine address of [00000d1d].
*Here are the steps that prove that I am correct*

(1) Executed H simulates the first seven instructions of D.

(2) Simulated D calls simulated H(D,D) to simulate itself again.

(3) Simulated H simulates the first seven instructions of simulated
     simulated D.

(4) Simulated simulated D simulated by simulated H calls
     simulated simulated H(D,D) to simulate itself again.

*HERE ARE ALL OF CONCRETE DETAILS OF THAT*
*Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation at Machine Address:cfc*
[00000cfc][00211839][0021183d](01)  55          push ebp      ; begin D
[00000cfd][00211839][0021183d](02)  8bec        mov ebp,esp
[00000cff][00211839][0021183d](03)  8b4508      mov eax,[ebp+08]
[00000d02][00211835][00000cfc](01)  50          push eax      ; push D
[00000d03][00211835][00000cfc](03)  8b4d08      mov ecx,[ebp+08]
[00000d06][00211831][00000cfc](01)  51          push ecx      ; push D
[00000d07][0021182d][00000d0c](05)  e800feffff  call 00000b0c ; call H
*This call to H is simulated by directly executed H*

  machine   stack     stack     machine          assembly
  address   address   data      code             language
  ========  ========  ========  ===============  =============
[00000cfc][0025c261][0025c265](01)  55          push ebp      ; begin D
[00000cfd][0025c261][0025c265](02)  8bec        mov ebp,esp
[00000cff][0025c261][0025c265](03)  8b4508      mov eax,[ebp+08]
[00000d02][0025c25d][00000cfc](01)  50          push eax      ; push D
[00000d03][0025c25d][00000cfc](03)  8b4d08      mov ecx,[ebp+08]
[00000d06][0025c259][00000cfc](01)  51          push ecx      ; push D
[00000d07][0025c255][00000d0c](05)  e800feffff  call 00000b0c ; call H
*This call to H would be simulated by simulated executed H*
*Infinitely Nested Simulation Detected Simulation Stopped*

-- 
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer