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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2024 22:20:12 -0500
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On 6/11/2024 10:01 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 6/11/24 10:58 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/11/2024 9:34 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 6/11/24 9:43 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 6/11/2024 6:22 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 6/11/24 1:30 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/10/2024 10:32 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/10/24 12:09 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When we ask the question: What is a truthmaker? The generic 
>>>>>>>> answer is
>>>>>>>> whatever makes an expression of language true <is> its truthmaker.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This entails that if there is nothing in the universe that makes
>>>>>>>> expression X true then X lacks a truthmaker and is untrue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then it is self-evident that this <is> the way that truth really 
>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, how does that apply to something that isn't a part of "the 
>>>>>>> universe", as Formal Logic systems are not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *STOPPING AT YOUR FIRST RIDICULOUSLY HUGE MISTAKE*
>>>>>> In other words you are saying that formal system have never
>>>>>> existing in any way what-so-ever?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, and I don't see where you get that from, except to not 
>>>>> understand the meaning of a universe.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The universe is all of space and time[a] and their contents.
>>>> It comprises all of existence, any fundamental interaction, physical
>>>> process and physical constant, and therefore all forms of energy and
>>>> matter, and the structures they form, from sub-atomic particles to
>>>> entire galactic filaments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe
>>>>
>>>> AKA *EVERYTHING* Duh !
>>>>
>>>
>>> But it is only ONE of an infinite number of such systems.
>>>
>>
>> So I have to dumb it down for you: *EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE*
>>
> 
> Let me dumb it down for you:
> 
> So, where are the Natural Numbers is THIS UNIVERSE?
> 
> How can the finite universe hold all of the infinite set?
> 
> How about the bigger set of the Reals?
> 
> Answer me please.

Algorithmic compression.

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