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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2024 22:34:45 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 59 Message-ID: <v4b50m$1f89t$5@dont-email.me> References: <v45tec$4q15$1@dont-email.me> <v46na7$3ifov$4@i2pn2.org> <v48be9$rgsh$1@dont-email.me> <v48gh6$3kcoe$4@i2pn2.org> <v48jv2$se9c$1@dont-email.me> <v49dge$3kcoe$5@i2pn2.org> <v4a0hs$157ic$3@dont-email.me> <v4ak5o$3kcoe$6@i2pn2.org> <v4am8r$19edk$1@dont-email.me> <v4apjs$19rnv$1@dont-email.me> <v4arp0$1a7uo$1@dont-email.me> <v4b1c3$3nf9n$3@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 05:34:46 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="6f170c39f5487c8533188545300f883a"; logging-data="1548605"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+1CwCCsCp6tHwJP5ibbHNO" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:7AjuxIjYljFilstDNp/K5fmMaCc= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v4b1c3$3nf9n$3@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 2844 On 6/11/2024 9:32 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 6/11/24 8:57 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 6/11/2024 7:20 PM, Python wrote: >>> Le 12/06/2024 à 01:23, olcott a écrit : >>> ... >>>> It turns out that by the generic definition of a decider >>>> what the directly executed D(D) does is not any of the >>>> business of H. >>> >>> LOL >>> >> >> There are no finite string transformations from the input >> to H to the behavior of D(D), thus the behavior of D(D) >> is irrelevant. >> > > Of course there is. > > That is exactly what the definition of a UTM is. > Unless we are as concrete as the x86 language truth slips though the cracks of vagueness. Show each step of DDD correctly simulated by HH such that DDD terminates normally. typedef void (*ptr)(); u32 HH(ptr P, ptr I); void DDD(int (*x)()) { HH(x, x); } int main() { HH(DDD,DDD); } _DDD() [00001df3] 55 push ebp [00001df4] 8bec mov ebp,esp [00001df6] 8b4508 mov eax,[ebp+08] [00001df9] 50 push eax [00001dfa] 8b4d08 mov ecx,[ebp+08] [00001dfd] 51 push ecx [00001dfe] e830f5ffff call 00001333 [00001e03] 83c408 add esp,+08 [00001e06] 5d pop ebp [00001e07] c3 ret Size in bytes:(0021) [00001e07] -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer