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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 11:50:47 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 83 Message-ID: <v4cjl7$1o4b4$1@dont-email.me> References: <v45tec$4q15$1@dont-email.me> <v46na7$3ifov$4@i2pn2.org> <v48be9$rgsh$1@dont-email.me> <v48gh6$3kcoe$4@i2pn2.org> <v48jv2$se9c$1@dont-email.me> <v49dge$3kcoe$5@i2pn2.org> <v4a0hs$157ic$3@dont-email.me> <v4ak5o$3kcoe$6@i2pn2.org> <v4am8r$19edk$1@dont-email.me> <v4apjs$19rnv$1@dont-email.me> <v4arp0$1a7uo$1@dont-email.me> <v4b1c3$3nf9n$3@i2pn2.org> <v4b50m$1f89t$5@dont-email.me> <v4c12r$3oop0$3@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 18:50:48 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="6f170c39f5487c8533188545300f883a"; logging-data="1839460"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19QZpeHzXjphZHPxztnmoAB" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:ZWL6oVqb5LXxF162Lj6UnBLmp70= In-Reply-To: <v4c12r$3oop0$3@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 4244 On 6/12/2024 6:33 AM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 6/11/24 11:34 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 6/11/2024 9:32 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 6/11/24 8:57 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 6/11/2024 7:20 PM, Python wrote: >>>>> Le 12/06/2024 à 01:23, olcott a écrit : >>>>> ... >>>>>> It turns out that by the generic definition of a decider >>>>>> what the directly executed D(D) does is not any of the >>>>>> business of H. >>>>> >>>>> LOL >>>>> >>>> >>>> There are no finite string transformations from the input >>>> to H to the behavior of D(D), thus the behavior of D(D) >>>> is irrelevant. >>>> >>> >>> Of course there is. >>> >>> That is exactly what the definition of a UTM is. >>> >> >> Unless we are as concrete as the x86 language truth slips >> though the cracks of vagueness. >> >> Show each step of DDD correctly simulated by HH such that >> DDD terminates normally. > > WHy? I never claimed that to be true. > > The lack of finding a couter example doesn't prove that no counter > example exists, it might just not be discovered. > On 5/29/2021 2:26 PM, olcott wrote: https://groups.google.com/g/comp.theory/c/dTvIY5NX6b4/m/cHR2ZPgPBAAJ *This is still Truthmaker Maximalism* The actual behavior of the input to H(D,D) is the truthmaker for halt decider H. When we compute the mapping from the input to H(D,D) this must apply a set of finite string transformation rules (specified by the semantics of the x86 language) to this input. The appropriate finite string transformation rules are D correctly simulated by H. There is no mapping from the input to H(D,D) to the behavior of D(D). If there was such a mapping then the detailed steps of D correctly simulated by H where D terminates normally could be provided. Thus I have proven H(D,D) is not allowed to report on the behavior of the directly executed D(D) because H is required to report on the mapping form its input and there is no mapping that reaches the behavior of D(D). _D() [00000cfc](01) 55 push ebp [00000cfd](02) 8bec mov ebp,esp [00000cff](03) 8b4508 mov eax,[ebp+08] [00000d02](01) 50 push eax ; push D [00000d03](03) 8b4d08 mov ecx,[ebp+08] [00000d06](01) 51 push ecx ; push D [00000d07](05) e800feffff call 00000b0c ; call H [00000d0c](03) 83c408 add esp,+08 [00000d0f](02) 85c0 test eax,eax [00000d11](02) 7404 jz 00000d17 [00000d13](02) 33c0 xor eax,eax [00000d15](02) eb05 jmp 00000d1c [00000d17](05) b801000000 mov eax,00000001 [00000d1c](01) 5d pop ebp [00000d1d](01) c3 ret Size in bytes:(0034) [00000d1d] -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer