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From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
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Subject: Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 19:49:07 -0400
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On 6/12/24 11:40 AM, olcott wrote:
> On 6/12/2024 6:33 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 6/11/24 11:20 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 6/11/2024 10:01 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>> On 6/11/24 10:58 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 6/11/2024 9:34 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/11/24 9:43 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/11/2024 6:22 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/11/24 1:30 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 6/10/2024 10:32 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/10/24 12:09 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When we ask the question: What is a truthmaker? The generic 
>>>>>>>>>>> answer is
>>>>>>>>>>> whatever makes an expression of language true <is> its 
>>>>>>>>>>> truthmaker.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This entails that if there is nothing in the universe that makes
>>>>>>>>>>> expression X true then X lacks a truthmaker and is untrue.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then it is self-evident that this <is> the way that truth 
>>>>>>>>>>> really works.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, how does that apply to something that isn't a part of "the 
>>>>>>>>>> universe", as Formal Logic systems are not.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *STOPPING AT YOUR FIRST RIDICULOUSLY HUGE MISTAKE*
>>>>>>>>> In other words you are saying that formal system have never
>>>>>>>>> existing in any way what-so-ever?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope, and I don't see where you get that from, except to not 
>>>>>>>> understand the meaning of a universe.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The universe is all of space and time[a] and their contents.
>>>>>>> It comprises all of existence, any fundamental interaction, physical
>>>>>>> process and physical constant, and therefore all forms of energy and
>>>>>>> matter, and the structures they form, from sub-atomic particles to
>>>>>>> entire galactic filaments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AKA *EVERYTHING* Duh !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But it is only ONE of an infinite number of such systems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So I have to dumb it down for you: *EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE*
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let me dumb it down for you:
>>>>
>>>> So, where are the Natural Numbers is THIS UNIVERSE?
>>>>
>>>> How can the finite universe hold all of the infinite set?
>>>>
>>>> How about the bigger set of the Reals?
>>>>
>>>> Answer me please.
>>>
>>> Algorithmic compression.
>>>
>>
>> And where does THAT exist as something physical in the universe?
>>
> 
> Where did I ever say that I am restricting this to physical things?
> Truth itself is a pure mental abstraction.
> 

How many times did you reference "Physical" in this statement from above?

> 
> The universe is all of space and time[a] and their contents.
> It comprises all of existence, any fundamental interaction, physical
> process and physical constant, and therefore all forms of energy and
> matter, and the structures they form, from sub-atomic particles to
> entire galactic filaments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe
> 
> AKA *EVERYTHING* Duh !
> 


What in that refers to anything not related to physical objects and 
their interactions?

Where do "Natural Numbers" fit in there?