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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite
 string transformation rules
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 18:53:10 -0500
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On 6/12/2024 6:41 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 6/12/24 7:12 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/12/2024 5:59 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 6/12/24 12:50 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 6/12/2024 6:33 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 6/11/24 11:34 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/11/2024 9:32 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/11/24 8:57 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/11/2024 7:20 PM, Python wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Le 12/06/2024 à 01:23, olcott a écrit :
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>> It turns out that by the generic definition of a decider
>>>>>>>>>> what the directly executed D(D) does is not any of the
>>>>>>>>>> business of H.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LOL
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are no finite string transformations from the input
>>>>>>>> to H to the behavior of D(D), thus the behavior of D(D)
>>>>>>>> is irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course there is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is exactly what the definition of a UTM is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless we are as concrete as the x86 language truth slips
>>>>>> though the cracks of vagueness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Show each step of DDD correctly simulated by HH such that
>>>>>> DDD terminates normally.
>>>>>
>>>>> WHy? I never claimed that to be true.
>>>>>
>>>>> The lack of finding a couter example doesn't prove that no counter 
>>>>> example exists, it might just not be discovered.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/29/2021 2:26 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.theory/c/dTvIY5NX6b4/m/cHR2ZPgPBAAJ
>>>>
>>>> *This is still Truthmaker Maximalism*
>>>> The actual behavior of the input to H(D,D) is the truthmaker
>>>> for halt decider H.
>>>
>>> Which is DEFINED to be the behavior of the program described by the 
>>> input when directly run.
>>>
>>
>> *If that was true then you could show ALL OF THE DETAILED STEPS*
>> *of the mapping that H(D,D) computes to derive that behavior*
>>
> 
> NO, because I never said that H COULD do that computation. That is 
> whythe question is DOES THERE EXIST a machine that can do it.
> 

There are no finite string transformation rules that H(D,D)
can use to transform its finite string input into the behavior
that you expect.

Halt Deciders are only allowed to report on the behavior that
they can map their finite string input to.

You are finally admitting that you are expecting H to report
on something that it cannot see and not report on that it does see.

_D()
[00000cfc](01) 55          push ebp
[00000cfd](02) 8bec        mov ebp,esp
[00000cff](03) 8b4508      mov eax,[ebp+08]
[00000d02](01) 50          push eax       ; push D
[00000d03](03) 8b4d08      mov ecx,[ebp+08]
[00000d06](01) 51          push ecx       ; push D
[00000d07](05) e800feffff  call 00000b0c  ; call H
[00000d0c](03) 83c408      add esp,+08
[00000d0f](02) 85c0        test eax,eax
[00000d11](02) 7404        jz 00000d17
[00000d13](02) 33c0        xor eax,eax
[00000d15](02) eb05        jmp 00000d1c
[00000d17](05) b801000000  mov eax,00000001
[00000d1c](01) 5d          pop ebp
[00000d1d](01) c3          ret
Size in bytes:(0034) [00000d1d]




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