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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 19:37:27 -0500
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On 6/12/2024 6:45 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 6/12/24 7:25 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/12/2024 6:03 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 6/12/24 12:57 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 6/12/2024 6:33 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> As I pointed out, there ARE finite-string transformations that do 
>>>>> it, that is a UTM.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/29/2021 2:26 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.theory/c/dTvIY5NX6b4/m/cHR2ZPgPBAAJ
>>>>
>>>> Unless you show every single step of D correctly simulated
>>>> by H that reaches the simulated "ret" of D all you have
>>>> is bluster utterly bereft of any supporting reasoning.
>>>
>>> Why, because the claim isn't about the simulate by H, but the 
>>> behavior of the difectly executed D(D), or its simulation by a UTM.
>>>
>>
>> H(D,D) must compute the mapping from its finite string input
>> transforming the finite string of its input into the behavior
>> that it specifies using finite string transformation rules.
> 
> Yes, it only CAN do what it can compute, but what it MUST do is answer 
> the question posed to it, which might be impossible. And that Question 
> is about the behavior of the direct execution of the machine represented 
> by its input.
> 

*H is not even being asked that question*
H is being asked about the behavior that its finite string
inputs maps to via a set of finite string transformation rules.

H is not answering the question that is in your head.
H is answering the question that it is being asked.

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