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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 20:19:33 -0500
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On 6/12/2024 7:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 6/12/24 7:53 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/12/2024 6:41 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 6/12/24 7:12 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 6/12/2024 5:59 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 6/12/24 12:50 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/12/2024 6:33 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/11/24 11:34 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/11/2024 9:32 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 6/11/24 8:57 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/11/2024 7:20 PM, Python wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Le 12/06/2024 à 01:23, olcott a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>> It turns out that by the generic definition of a decider
>>>>>>>>>>>> what the directly executed D(D) does is not any of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> business of H.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> LOL
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are no finite string transformations from the input
>>>>>>>>>> to H to the behavior of D(D), thus the behavior of D(D)
>>>>>>>>>> is irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course there is.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is exactly what the definition of a UTM is.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unless we are as concrete as the x86 language truth slips
>>>>>>>> though the cracks of vagueness.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Show each step of DDD correctly simulated by HH such that
>>>>>>>> DDD terminates normally.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WHy? I never claimed that to be true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The lack of finding a couter example doesn't prove that no 
>>>>>>> counter example exists, it might just not be discovered.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/29/2021 2:26 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.theory/c/dTvIY5NX6b4/m/cHR2ZPgPBAAJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *This is still Truthmaker Maximalism*
>>>>>> The actual behavior of the input to H(D,D) is the truthmaker
>>>>>> for halt decider H.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is DEFINED to be the behavior of the program described by the 
>>>>> input when directly run.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *If that was true then you could show ALL OF THE DETAILED STEPS*
>>>> *of the mapping that H(D,D) computes to derive that behavior*
>>>>
>>>
>>> NO, because I never said that H COULD do that computation. That is 
>>> whythe question is DOES THERE EXIST a machine that can do it.
>>>
>>
>> There are no finite string transformation rules that H(D,D)
>> can use to transform its finite string input into the behavior
>> that you expect.
> 
> So?
> 
> There is a mapping, and thus the question is VALID.
> 
> That there is no finite steps to compute that mapping meaning that the 
> Halting Function is just uncomputable.
> 

I am not saying there is no mapping from the question
to the correct answer.

I am saying there is no mapping from the input TO THE QUESTION.
H IS NOT EVEN BEING ASKED ABOUT THE BEHAVIOR OF D(D).

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