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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 21:48:30 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 48 Message-ID: <v4dmlu$22cmj$2@dont-email.me> References: <v45tec$4q15$1@dont-email.me> <v46na7$3ifov$4@i2pn2.org> <v48be9$rgsh$1@dont-email.me> <v48gh6$3kcoe$4@i2pn2.org> <v48jv2$se9c$1@dont-email.me> <v49dge$3kcoe$5@i2pn2.org> <v4a0hs$157ic$3@dont-email.me> <v4ak5o$3kcoe$6@i2pn2.org> <v4am8r$19edk$1@dont-email.me> <v4b17k$3nf9n$2@i2pn2.org> <v4b48k$1f89t$4@dont-email.me> <v4c12t$3oop0$4@i2pn2.org> <v4ck2c$1o4b4$2@dont-email.me> <v4d9gt$3qbnc$2@i2pn2.org> <v4daoq$1sioe$2@dont-email.me> <v4dbun$3qbnc$4@i2pn2.org> <v4df07$1te0b$1@dont-email.me> <v4dfsu$3qbnd$2@i2pn2.org> <v4dhuk$1tsdf$3@dont-email.me> <v4diet$3qbnc$7@i2pn2.org> <v4dj9i$1tsdf$5@dont-email.me> <v4dkp0$3qbnd$7@i2pn2.org> <v4dlac$225kb$2@dont-email.me> <v4dm13$3qbnc$10@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 04:48:31 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="72fba8c553b5e17b65491f92678bf7b8"; logging-data="2175699"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+9Vk2vj+gVuG5Mt2xkpW8M" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:7p+odwIfbXo8wCyXfRD4styEoF0= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v4dm13$3qbnc$10@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 3335 On 6/12/2024 9:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 6/12/24 10:25 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 6/12/2024 9:16 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 6/12/24 9:50 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 6/12/2024 8:36 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 6/12/24 9:27 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> THAT IS THE QUESTION THAT IS ASSUMED. >>>>>> THAT IS NOT THE QUESTION THAT IS BEING ASKED. >>>>> >>>>> How do you say that? >>>>> >>>>> Do you not understand the meaning of the words "Halt Decider"? >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> H must derive the question that it is being asked by computing >>>>>> the mapping from its finite string input to the behavior specified >>>>>> by this finite string input. >>>>> >>>>> So, Definitions don't mean anything? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Halt deciders are not being asked English questions nitwit. >>> >>> But the formal question can be translated into English. >>> >>> And the PROBLEM statements can be written in English as a >>> requirements doecument. >>> >>> "Halt Deciders" don't need to "understand" the question, they just do >>> what they are programmed to do. >> >> H can only see that it must report on D correctly simulated by H. >> No one ever tells it anything different than this. > > H doesn't need to "know" what it is doing. It PROGRAMMER does. > The input to H(D,D) does not tell H to look at the behavior of D(D). You are currently too ignorant to understand this mainly because you don't want to bother to seriously consider that I may be correct. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer