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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) V2
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 22:53:01 -0500
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On 6/14/2024 10:40 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 6/14/24 11:07 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/13/2024 8:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>  > On 6/13/24 11:32 AM, olcott wrote:
>>  >>
>>  >> It is contingent upon you to show the exact steps of how H computes
>>  >> the mapping from the x86 machine language finite string input to
>>  >> H(D,D) using the finite string transformation rules specified by
>>  >> the semantics of the x86 programming language that reaches the
>>  >> behavior of the directly executed D(D)
>>  >>
>>  >
>>  > Why? I don't claim it can.
>>
>> _D()
>> [00000cfc](01) 55          push ebp
>> [00000cfd](02) 8bec        mov ebp,esp
>> [00000cff](03) 8b4508      mov eax,[ebp+08]
>> [00000d02](01) 50          push eax       ; push D
>> [00000d03](03) 8b4d08      mov ecx,[ebp+08]
>> [00000d06](01) 51          push ecx       ; push D
>> [00000d07](05) e800feffff  call 00000b0c  ; call H
>> [00000d0c](03) 83c408      add esp,+08
>> [00000d0f](02) 85c0        test eax,eax
>> [00000d11](02) 7404        jz 00000d17
>> [00000d13](02) 33c0        xor eax,eax
>> [00000d15](02) eb05        jmp 00000d1c
>> [00000d17](05) b801000000  mov eax,00000001
>> [00000d1c](01) 5d          pop ebp
>> [00000d1d](01) c3          ret
>> Size in bytes:(0034) [00000d1d]
>>
>> If there is no mapping from the input to H(D,D) to the behavior
>> of D(D) then H is not even being asked about the behavior of D(D).
>> H has no obligation to answer questions *THAT IT IS NOT BEING ASKED*
>>
> 
> You keep on stating that LIE.
> 

That is is over-your-head does not even make it untrue.
That you call me a liar makes you a liar.
If you want to claim that I am wrong YOU MUST USE REASONING.
Calling me a liar makes you a liar and a fool.

> H, being a Halting Decider (or are you lying about that) has exactly one 
> question it *IS* being asked about every input it s given, that that is 
> "Will the execution of the program represented by your input Halt when 
> run?"
> 

Yes you are very good at memorizing textbooks now prove that the
input to H(D,D) can be transformed into the question Does D(D) halt?
 >>  > Why? I don't claim it can.

Then H is NOT BEING ASKED ABOUT THE BEHAVIOR OF D(D).
I chopped out the attempt to change the subject.
*YOU MUST STAY FOCUSED ON THIS POINT*



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