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From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
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Subject: Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) V2
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2024 06:56:42 -0400
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On 6/14/24 11:53 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 6/14/2024 10:40 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 6/14/24 11:07 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 6/13/2024 8:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>  > On 6/13/24 11:32 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>  >>
>>>  >> It is contingent upon you to show the exact steps of how H computes
>>>  >> the mapping from the x86 machine language finite string input to
>>>  >> H(D,D) using the finite string transformation rules specified by
>>>  >> the semantics of the x86 programming language that reaches the
>>>  >> behavior of the directly executed D(D)
>>>  >>
>>>  >
>>>  > Why? I don't claim it can.
>>>
>>> _D()
>>> [00000cfc](01) 55          push ebp
>>> [00000cfd](02) 8bec        mov ebp,esp
>>> [00000cff](03) 8b4508      mov eax,[ebp+08]
>>> [00000d02](01) 50          push eax       ; push D
>>> [00000d03](03) 8b4d08      mov ecx,[ebp+08]
>>> [00000d06](01) 51          push ecx       ; push D
>>> [00000d07](05) e800feffff  call 00000b0c  ; call H
>>> [00000d0c](03) 83c408      add esp,+08
>>> [00000d0f](02) 85c0        test eax,eax
>>> [00000d11](02) 7404        jz 00000d17
>>> [00000d13](02) 33c0        xor eax,eax
>>> [00000d15](02) eb05        jmp 00000d1c
>>> [00000d17](05) b801000000  mov eax,00000001
>>> [00000d1c](01) 5d          pop ebp
>>> [00000d1d](01) c3          ret
>>> Size in bytes:(0034) [00000d1d]
>>>
>>> If there is no mapping from the input to H(D,D) to the behavior
>>> of D(D) then H is not even being asked about the behavior of D(D).
>>> H has no obligation to answer questions *THAT IT IS NOT BEING ASKED*
>>>
>>
>> You keep on stating that LIE.
>>
> 
> That is is over-your-head does not even make it untrue.
> That you call me a liar makes you a liar.

But it is the TURTH, it IS the MAPPING that H is REQURED to give if it 
is to be a correct Halt Decider.

> If you want to claim that I am wrong YOU MUST USE REASONING.

Like, THE DEFINITION of a Halt Decider?

> Calling me a liar makes you a liar and a fool.

Your saying something doesn't exsit that you have been shown, and not 
doing one thing to prove your point just demonstartes that you are 
nothing but a stupid liar that is stuck in his own brainwashing.

> 
>> H, being a Halting Decider (or are you lying about that) has exactly 
>> one question it *IS* being asked about every input it s given, that 
>> that is "Will the execution of the program represented by your input 
>> Halt when run?"
>>
> 
> Yes you are very good at memorizing textbooks now prove that the
> input to H(D,D) can be transformed into the question Does D(D) halt?
>  >>  > Why? I don't claim it can.
> 
> Then H is NOT BEING ASKED ABOUT THE BEHAVIOR OF D(D).
> I chopped out the attempt to change the subject.
> *YOU MUST STAY FOCUSED ON THIS POINT*
> 

Then H is NOT a Halt Decider.

BY DEFINITION

PERIOD.

And you are PROVED to be a DAMNED LIAR.,