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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) V2 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2024 08:17:20 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 48 Message-ID: <v4k490$3fmth$2@dont-email.me> References: <v4j0h2$39gh7$3@dont-email.me> <v4j2ga$kqh$11@i2pn2.org> <v4j36t$3a0ot$1@dont-email.me> <v4jvjj$222a$3@i2pn2.org> <v4k1hg$3f0hc$5@dont-email.me> <v4k333$3ffi9$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2024 15:17:20 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="020d44455d70acf7231aebb6a85d124b"; logging-data="3660721"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/BG9evDyouXyWNfl9Ytcnd" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:78ngwsb+9q3urJB5IfFa/ZoZtyg= In-Reply-To: <v4k333$3ffi9$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2802 On 6/15/2024 7:57 AM, Python wrote: > Le 15/06/2024 à 14:30, olcott a écrit : > ... >> If there is no mapping form the input to H(D,D) to the behavior >> of D(D) then H is not being asked about the behavior of D(D). > > Of course it is: by *definition* of H. > > > In other words you can show the detailed steps of this mapping even though Richard cannot. On 6/13/2024 8:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 6/13/24 11:32 AM, olcott wrote: >> >> It is contingent upon you to show the exact steps of how H computes >> the mapping from the x86 machine language finite string input to >> H(D,D) using the finite string transformation rules specified by >> the semantics of the x86 programming language that reaches the >> behavior of the directly executed D(D) >> > > Why? I don't claim it can. _D() [00000cfc](01) 55 push ebp [00000cfd](02) 8bec mov ebp,esp [00000cff](03) 8b4508 mov eax,[ebp+08] [00000d02](01) 50 push eax ; push D [00000d03](03) 8b4d08 mov ecx,[ebp+08] [00000d06](01) 51 push ecx ; push D [00000d07](05) e800feffff call 00000b0c ; call H [00000d0c](03) 83c408 add esp,+08 [00000d0f](02) 85c0 test eax,eax [00000d11](02) 7404 jz 00000d17 [00000d13](02) 33c0 xor eax,eax [00000d15](02) eb05 jmp 00000d1c [00000d17](05) b801000000 mov eax,00000001 [00000d1c](01) 5d pop ebp [00000d1d](01) c3 ret Size in bytes:(0034) [00000d1d] -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer