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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) V2 ---ignoring all other replies Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2024 10:54:54 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 81 Message-ID: <v4kdgf$3h3iu$4@dont-email.me> References: <v45tec$4q15$1@dont-email.me> <v48jv2$se9c$1@dont-email.me> <v49dge$3kcoe$5@i2pn2.org> <v4a0hs$157ic$3@dont-email.me> <v4ak5o$3kcoe$6@i2pn2.org> <v4am8r$19edk$1@dont-email.me> <v4apjs$19rnv$1@dont-email.me> <v4arp0$1a7uo$1@dont-email.me> <v4b1c3$3nf9n$3@i2pn2.org> <v4b50m$1f89t$5@dont-email.me> <v4c12r$3oop0$3@i2pn2.org> <v4cjl7$1o4b4$1@dont-email.me> <v4d991$3qbnc$1@i2pn2.org> <v4da12$1sioe$1@dont-email.me> <v4dbmf$3qbnc$3@i2pn2.org> <v4dcd6$1sioe$3@dont-email.me> <v4df0h$3qbnd$1@i2pn2.org> <v4dhf5$1tsdf$2@dont-email.me> <v4dja1$3qbnd$5@i2pn2.org> <v4djhf$1tsdf$6@dont-email.me> <v4dk7b$3qbnc$8@i2pn2.org> <v4dl3b$225kb$1@dont-email.me> <v4dn5u$3qbnd$8@i2pn2.org> <v4dop4$22o4a$2@dont-email.me> <v4dq07$3qbnc$12@i2pn2.org> <v4dqq0$2353n$1@dont-email.me> <v4el9m$3rsd6$3@i2pn2.org> <v4f3ec$2akmh$2@dont-email.me> <v4g65a$3tn6q$1@i2pn2.org> <v4k906$3gc4t$4@dont-email.me> <v4kaas$2218$14@i2pn2.org> <v4kamr$3gc4t$8@dont-email.me> <v4kb10$2218$15@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2024 17:54:55 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="65be3053bb2d9b452c13d5ddc3153d90"; logging-data="3706462"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+ulgCmpVyVT4+f0PIUBoET" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:8JV3QpmpLOYmP5Dbx9cMuKrfs90= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v4kb10$2218$15@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 4947 On 6/15/2024 10:12 AM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 6/15/24 11:07 AM, olcott wrote: >> On 6/15/2024 10:00 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 6/15/24 10:37 AM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 6/13/2024 8:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 6/13/24 11:32 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It is contingent upon you to show the exact steps of how H computes >>>>>> the mapping from the x86 machine language finite string input to >>>>>> H(D,D) using the finite string transformation rules specified by >>>>>> the semantics of the x86 programming language that reaches the >>>>>> behavior of the directly executed D(D) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Why? I don't claim it can. >>>>> >>>> >>>> We must fully resolve this point before proceeding on any other >>>> halting problem points. If the reason that you don't answer is >>>> that this is simply over-your-head then it may not make sense to >>>> continue talking about these things with you. >>>> >>>> This is the key point that you must understand otherwise our >>>> conversation hit the brick wall of your persistently maintained >>>> ignorance. >>>> >>>> If there is no mapping from the input to H(D,D) to the behavior >>>> of D(D) then *H IS NOT BEING ASKED ABOUT THIS BEHAVIOR* >>>> >>>> >>> >>> You just seem to be stuck in your lies. >>> >>> There *IS* a mapping from the input to H(D,D) to the behavior of D(D), >> >> *Then do as I originally requested and provide ALL OF THE STEPS* >> *ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING BESIDES ALL OF THE STEPS WILL BE REJECTED* >> *OUT-OF-HAND AS WRONG ANSWER* > > Mappings don't HAVE steps. > > The mapping, for this H and D, is: > > (D,D) -> 1 > *Wrong mapping* I am not asking for a mapping from the input to H(D,D) to a possible output from H(D,D). I am asking for a mapping from the machine language finite string of the input to H(D,D) to each of the individual steps of the behavior of D(D). The first six steps of the mapping from the input to H(D,D) and the behavior of D(D) are the execution/simulation of the machine code at address range [00000cfc] to [00000d06]. _D() [00000cfc](01) 55 push ebp [00000cfd](02) 8bec mov ebp,esp [00000cff](03) 8b4508 mov eax,[ebp+08] [00000d02](01) 50 push eax ; push D [00000d03](03) 8b4d08 mov ecx,[ebp+08] [00000d06](01) 51 push ecx ; push D [00000d07](05) e800feffff call 00000b0c ; call H [00000d0c](03) 83c408 add esp,+08 [00000d0f](02) 85c0 test eax,eax [00000d11](02) 7404 jz 00000d17 [00000d13](02) 33c0 xor eax,eax [00000d15](02) eb05 jmp 00000d1c [00000d17](05) b801000000 mov eax,00000001 [00000d1c](01) 5d pop ebp [00000d1d](01) c3 ret Size in bytes:(0034) [00000d1d] -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer