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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> Newsgroups: sci.lang Subject: Magna Carta sealed (15-6-1215) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2024 11:22:47 +1200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 20 Message-ID: <v4l7oe$3mdif$1@dont-email.me> Reply-To: r.clark@auckland.ac.nz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2024 01:22:54 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="5b9446adec42a0d351c143bb76d11991"; logging-data="3880527"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18oALIAHcE3TVtZBQTKM4a0//bvLL8bclU=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 Cancel-Lock: sha1:Jpr6dW5+dTVjnQqeQfM0QN/uLYw= X-Mozilla-News-Host: news://news.eternal-september.org:119 Content-Language: en-GB Bytes: 1981 And the linguistic angle is... "The original is written in medieval Latin, as was normal for official documents at the time..." And this goes on to scribal abbreviations, which were also normal at the time: "...in Magna Carta _and_* was written as a dash with a small tail, _per_ ('of') could appear as a letter <p> with a crossbar on the descender, and _nostra_ ('our') was written <nra> with a horizontal line above." *He should really have written: _et_ ('and'). (Something that came up quite recently in the excerpt from the Chronicle about the Danes sacking Lindisfarne): "A symbol that looked like the numeral 7 was very frequent in Anglo-Saxon texts as a replacement for _and_: it derives from the symbol used in classical Latin for _et_ ('and') by Cicero's scribe, Marcus Tullius Tiro (and thus often called the 'Tironian _et_')." As Aidan knew.