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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic,comp.ai.philosophy Subject: Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) V3 ---IGNORING ALL OTHER REPLIES Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2024 19:37:27 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <v4l8jn$3n5d$3@i2pn2.org> References: <v4kf3h$3h3iu$7@dont-email.me> <v4kfoa$2218$19@i2pn2.org> <v4l2mr$3l6pa$1@dont-email.me> <v4l6gg$3n5d$1@i2pn2.org> <v4l87j$3m8b0$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2024 23:37:27 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="122029"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v4l87j$3m8b0$2@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3018 Lines: 45 On 6/15/24 7:30 PM, olcott wrote: > On 6/15/2024 6:01 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 6/15/24 5:56 PM, olcott wrote: >>> On 6/15/2024 11:33 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>> On 6/15/24 12:22 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 6/13/2024 8:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> > On 6/13/24 11:32 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> It is contingent upon you to show the exact steps of how H >>>>> computes >>>>> >> the mapping from the x86 machine language finite string input to >>>>> >> H(D,D) using the finite string transformation rules specified by >>>>> >> the semantics of the x86 programming language that reaches the >>>>> >> behavior of the directly executed D(D) >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > Why? I don't claim it can. >>>>> >>>>> The first six steps of this mapping are when instructions >>>>> at the machine address range of [00000cfc] to [00000d06] >>>>> are simulated/executed. >>>>> >>>>> After that the behavior of D correctly simulated by H diverges >>>>> from the behavior of D(D) because the call to H(D,D) by D >>>>> correctly simulated by H cannot possibly return to D. >>>> >>>> Nope, the steps of D correctly simulated by H will EXACTLY match the >>>> steps of D directly executed, until H just gives up and guesses. >>>> >>> >>> When we can see that D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly >>> reach its simulated final state at machine address [00000d1d] >>> after one recursive simulation and the same applies for 2,3,...N >>> recursive simulations then we can abort the simulated input and >>> correctly report that D correctly simulated by H DOES NOT HALT. >> >> Nope. Because an aborted simulation doesn't say anything about Halting, >> > > It is the mathematical induction that says this. > WHAT "Mathematical Induction"? You haven't shown the required pieces for an inductive proof. I doubt you even know what you need to do, let alone be able to do it.