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From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
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Subject: Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) V3
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2024 21:13:34 -0400
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On 6/15/24 8:44 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 6/15/2024 6:57 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 6/15/24 7:40 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 6/15/2024 6:15 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>> On 6/15/24 2:55 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 6/15/2024 1:08 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/15/24 1:39 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/15/2024 12:17 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/15/24 12:57 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 6/13/2024 8:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/13/24 11:32 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is contingent upon you to show the exact steps of how H 
>>>>>>>>>>> computes
>>>>>>>>>>> the mapping from the x86 machine language finite string input to
>>>>>>>>>>> H(D,D) using the finite string transformation rules specified by
>>>>>>>>>>> the semantics of the x86 programming language that reaches the
>>>>>>>>>>> behavior of the directly executed D(D)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why? I don't claim it can.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When I ask you to provide the mapping from the input
>>>>>>>>> to H(D,D) to each step of the behavior of D(D) and
>>>>>>>>> and you refuse then within Socratic questioning you
>>>>>>>>> have proved to not be interested in an honest dialog.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, by asking a Red Herring question, 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *In other words you DO NOT WANT AN HONEST DIALOGUE*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, YOU do not what honest dialogs, as you ask me to try to prove 
>>>>>> something I don't claim to be do able, and I say why?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In other words you flat out do not understand that H is not
>>>>> being asked about the behavior of D(D).
>>>>
>>>> Then you don't understand that you just flat out admitted that your 
>>>> H isn't a Halt Decider, and thus you have proven anything about the 
>>>> Halting Problem.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You are either too stubborn or too ignorant to understand that
>>> deciders report on what their input specifies and thus not what
>>> you think that this input should mean.
>>>
>>
>> And, if the decider is a "Halt Decider" then the meaning of there 
>> inputs is a reperesentation of a machine whose behavior the decider is 
>> supposed to decide on. PERIOD.
>>
> 
> Dogma counts for less than nothing. Bots can parrot textbooks.
> You must show the reasoning the enables H to see the behavior of D(D).
> 
> 

Nope, DOGMA is TRUTH in fields with actual authority.

Thus, Dogma IS correct in Formal Systems (if the Dogma IS the definition 
of that system).