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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) V3
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On 6/15/2024 8:13 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 6/15/24 8:44 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/15/2024 6:57 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 6/15/24 7:40 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 6/15/2024 6:15 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 6/15/24 2:55 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/15/2024 1:08 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/15/24 1:39 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/15/2024 12:17 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/24 12:57 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/13/2024 8:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/13/24 11:32 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It is contingent upon you to show the exact steps of how H 
>>>>>>>>>>>> computes
>>>>>>>>>>>> the mapping from the x86 machine language finite string 
>>>>>>>>>>>> input to
>>>>>>>>>>>> H(D,D) using the finite string transformation rules 
>>>>>>>>>>>> specified by
>>>>>>>>>>>> the semantics of the x86 programming language that reaches the
>>>>>>>>>>>> behavior of the directly executed D(D)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why? I don't claim it can.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When I ask you to provide the mapping from the input
>>>>>>>>>> to H(D,D) to each step of the behavior of D(D) and
>>>>>>>>>> and you refuse then within Socratic questioning you
>>>>>>>>>> have proved to not be interested in an honest dialog.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, by asking a Red Herring question, 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *In other words you DO NOT WANT AN HONEST DIALOGUE*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, YOU do not what honest dialogs, as you ask me to try to prove 
>>>>>>> something I don't claim to be do able, and I say why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In other words you flat out do not understand that H is not
>>>>>> being asked about the behavior of D(D).
>>>>>
>>>>> Then you don't understand that you just flat out admitted that your 
>>>>> H isn't a Halt Decider, and thus you have proven anything about the 
>>>>> Halting Problem.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are either too stubborn or too ignorant to understand that
>>>> deciders report on what their input specifies and thus not what
>>>> you think that this input should mean.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And, if the decider is a "Halt Decider" then the meaning of there 
>>> inputs is a reperesentation of a machine whose behavior the decider 
>>> is supposed to decide on. PERIOD.
>>>
>>
>> Dogma counts for less than nothing. Bots can parrot textbooks.
>> You must show the reasoning the enables H to see the behavior of D(D).
>>
>>
> 
> Nope, DOGMA is TRUTH in fields with actual authority.
> 

The is a formal error of reasoning and you probably have no clue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

> Thus, Dogma IS correct in Formal Systems (if the Dogma IS the definition 
> of that system).


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