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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) V3
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On 6/15/2024 9:02 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 6/15/24 9:39 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/15/2024 8:13 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 6/15/24 8:44 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 6/15/2024 6:57 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 6/15/24 7:40 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/15/2024 6:15 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/15/24 2:55 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/15/2024 1:08 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/24 1:39 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/2024 12:17 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/24 12:57 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/13/2024 8:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/13/24 11:32 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is contingent upon you to show the exact steps of how H 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mapping from the x86 machine language finite string 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> input to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> H(D,D) using the finite string transformation rules 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specified by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the semantics of the x86 programming language that reaches 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behavior of the directly executed D(D)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why? I don't claim it can.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When I ask you to provide the mapping from the input
>>>>>>>>>>>> to H(D,D) to each step of the behavior of D(D) and
>>>>>>>>>>>> and you refuse then within Socratic questioning you
>>>>>>>>>>>> have proved to not be interested in an honest dialog.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, by asking a Red Herring question, 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *In other words you DO NOT WANT AN HONEST DIALOGUE*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, YOU do not what honest dialogs, as you ask me to try to 
>>>>>>>>> prove something I don't claim to be do able, and I say why?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In other words you flat out do not understand that H is not
>>>>>>>> being asked about the behavior of D(D).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then you don't understand that you just flat out admitted that 
>>>>>>> your H isn't a Halt Decider, and thus you have proven anything 
>>>>>>> about the Halting Problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are either too stubborn or too ignorant to understand that
>>>>>> deciders report on what their input specifies and thus not what
>>>>>> you think that this input should mean.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And, if the decider is a "Halt Decider" then the meaning of there 
>>>>> inputs is a reperesentation of a machine whose behavior the decider 
>>>>> is supposed to decide on. PERIOD.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dogma counts for less than nothing. Bots can parrot textbooks.
>>>> You must show the reasoning the enables H to see the behavior of D(D).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nope, DOGMA is TRUTH in fields with actual authority.
>>>
>>
>> The is a formal error of reasoning and you probably have no clue.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
>>
> 
> Nope, not if the "Authority" is the DEFINITIONS of the system.
> 

If the authority defines squares as round and no one notices
this since 1936, the4n someone can come along as say that
definition is proved wrong by its incoherence.

> When we use the Dogma of a formal system, i.e. its formmal definitions, 
> we are not relying on the "opinion" of an influential figure, but upon 
> the formal definitions of the system, that is, its primary Truth-makers.
> 
> Again, you are just showing you don't understand that meaning of terms.
> 

I am over-ruling the incoherent meaning of terms. Sheep that
learn things by rote make sure to take textbooks as gospel
and ridicule other that have more insight. That is what
happened to Professor Hehner.

Love one another <is> gospel. Most everything else not so much.

>>> Thus, Dogma IS correct in Formal Systems (if the Dogma IS the 
>>> definition of that system).
>>
>>
> 

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