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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb> Newsgroups: sci.lang,alt.usage.english Subject: Re: Magna Carta sealed (15-6-1215) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2024 03:23:17 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 39 Message-ID: <v4meem$3uuql$4@dont-email.me> References: <v4l7oe$3mdif$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2024 12:23:19 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="35c3840a03f107b42fbf945be62926e9"; logging-data="4160341"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18gKfhutp96VL+0pNRlbapHpQGkaYipSrw=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:nP8ENpZLzye4PKyeMpA19gEcK4g= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v4l7oe$3mdif$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2186 On 6/15/2024 4:22 PM, Ross Clark wrote: > And the linguistic angle is... > "The original is written in medieval Latin, as was normal for official > documents at the time..." > And this goes on to scribal abbreviations, which were also normal at the > time: > > "...in Magna Carta _and_* was written as a dash with a small tail, _per_ > ('of') could appear as a letter <p> with a crossbar on the descender, > and _nostra_ ('our') was written <nra> with a horizontal line above." > > *He should really have written: _et_ ('and'). > > (Something that came up quite recently in the excerpt from the Chronicle > about the Danes sacking Lindisfarne): > > "A symbol that looked like the numeral 7 was very frequent in > Anglo-Saxon texts as a replacement for _and_: it derives from the symbol > used in classical Latin for _et_ ('and') by Cicero's scribe, Marcus > Tullius Tiro (and thus often called the 'Tironian _et_')." > As Aidan knew. Old Irish Etymology= Abbreviation of Latin et reliqua (“and the rest”), with et being contracted via the Tironian note ⁊. Phrase ⁊rl. ocus --> agus