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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) V2 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2024 08:13:15 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 31 Message-ID: <v4pcpb$ln46$6@dont-email.me> References: <v4j0h2$39gh7$3@dont-email.me> <v4k0sr$3f4m3$1@dont-email.me> <v4k44j$3fmth$1@dont-email.me> <v4m5gj$3v41v$1@dont-email.me> <v4mmnp$1qt6$2@dont-email.me> <v4ms37$5nh5$1@i2pn2.org> <v4op1q$huju$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2024 15:13:16 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="24f2a1964fe8769a85c52084edf5324e"; logging-data="711814"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX196I8p52zH29WiKKabbY3kr" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:6/ug61pbSPzwSA9azMhg45/i28M= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v4op1q$huju$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2479 On 6/17/2024 2:36 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-06-16 14:16:07 +0000, joes said: > >> Am Sun, 16 Jun 2024 07:44:41 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>> On 6/16/2024 2:50 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>> On 2024-06-15 13:14:57 +0000, olcott said: >>>>> On 6/15/2024 7:19 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>> On 2024-06-15 03:07:14 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>> On 6/13/2024 8:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>> > On 6/13/24 11:32 AM, olcott wrote: >> >>>> Whenever a decider is run it answers the question it is made to answer. >>> Not necessarily. Just because everyone falsely assumes that D correctly >>> simulated by H must have the same behavior as the directly executed D(D) >>> does not make this false assumption true. >> You still need to explain how you can call a simulation that differs from >> the behaviour of its input "correct". > > Just reject the idea that the word "correct" or words in general have > anything to do with the real world and the things in it. > It will only address that here [Simulating termination analyzers for dummies] It has all of the reasoning in one place not strewn about here and there. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer