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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) V2 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2024 08:17:21 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 51 Message-ID: <v4pd11$ln46$10@dont-email.me> References: <v4j0h2$39gh7$3@dont-email.me> <v4k0sr$3f4m3$1@dont-email.me> <v4k44j$3fmth$1@dont-email.me> <v4m5gj$3v41v$1@dont-email.me> <v4mmnp$1qt6$2@dont-email.me> <v4ms37$5nh5$1@i2pn2.org> <v4mtif$3cbf$1@dont-email.me> <v4muph$1sav$1@news.muc.de> <v4n8ac$5d22$1@dont-email.me> <v4nk4s$17k4$1@news.muc.de> <v4nn63$89ld$1@dont-email.me> <v4noi2$8am2$5@dont-email.me> <v4nsas$61l9$10@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2024 15:17:21 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="24f2a1964fe8769a85c52084edf5324e"; logging-data="711814"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/PE2GLDldVEQc8KJCylycg" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:5yNivjak6zzXzWJHPFBS9keVkhs= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v4nsas$61l9$10@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 3396 On 6/16/2024 6:26 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 6/16/24 6:21 PM, Python wrote: >> Le 16/06/2024 à 23:58, André G. Isaak a écrit : >>> On 2024-06-16 15:06, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>> >>>> If you'd've simply stuck to turing machines all along, you could have >>>> avoided a lot of the confusion you've got yourself into. Why not start >>>> talking about turing machines now? >>> >>> Olcott has made it clear that he has absolutely no idea what Turing >>> Machines are or how they work. He likes bringing them up (even >>> insisting on calling his C programs "TMs" or "UTMs"), but there's no >>> possibility that he will start discussing actual Turing machines. >>> They're entirely outside of his purview. >>> >>> André >>> >> >> A couple of years ago he was asked to provide Turing Machine emulator in >> C. He bragged about delivering it in a few hours (which is realisting >> for any decent programmer btw). >> >> Guess what? He failed. >> >> > > Actually, if I remember right, he was asked to write a Turing Machine, > and was shown an on-line Turing Emulator, but he didn't like how it > worked, (it didn't understand a "full ASCII" tape) so he desided to > write his own, and failed. > > Yes, a few hours is probably a reasonable design time for a simple > "batch mode" Turing machine emultor (read a data file with the State > Machine description and the starting tape, and then print a trace of it > running, maybe including a simple loop detector to stop the obviously > non-halting machines. > > Of course, fancy graphics could make it a bottomless pit. > > I likely wouldn't choose C to do it in, but it is do able. > > (A RASP emulator would want a language with bignum support, but that > isn't needed for a Turing Machine. The x86 language <is> essentially a RASP machine for every computation that fits within its memory. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer