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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) V2
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On 6/16/2024 6:26 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 6/16/24 6:21 PM, Python wrote:
>> Le 16/06/2024 à 23:58, André G. Isaak a écrit :
>>> On 2024-06-16 15:06, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you'd've simply stuck to turing machines all along, you could have
>>>> avoided a lot of the confusion you've got yourself into.  Why not start
>>>> talking about turing machines now?
>>>
>>> Olcott has made it clear that he has absolutely no idea what Turing 
>>> Machines are or how they work. He likes bringing them up (even 
>>> insisting on calling his C programs "TMs" or "UTMs"), but there's no 
>>> possibility that he will start discussing actual Turing machines. 
>>> They're entirely outside of his purview.
>>>
>>> André
>>>
>>
>> A couple of years ago he was asked to provide Turing Machine emulator in
>> C. He bragged about delivering it in a few hours (which is realisting
>> for any decent programmer btw).
>>
>> Guess what? He failed.
>>
>>
> 
> Actually, if I remember right, he was asked to write a Turing Machine, 
> and was shown an on-line Turing Emulator, but he didn't like how it 
> worked, (it didn't understand a "full ASCII" tape) so he desided to 
> write his own, and failed.
> 
> Yes, a few hours is probably a reasonable design time for a simple 
> "batch mode" Turing machine emultor (read a data file with the State 
> Machine description and the starting tape, and then print a trace of it 
> running, maybe including a simple loop detector to stop the obviously 
> non-halting machines.
> 
> Of course, fancy graphics could make it a bottomless pit.
> 
> I likely wouldn't choose C to do it in, but it is do able.
> 
> (A RASP emulator would want a language with bignum support, but that 
> isn't needed for a Turing Machine.

The x86 language <is> essentially a RASP machine for
every computation that fits within its memory.

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