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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: "Drakon" by S. M. Stirling Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2024 14:22:03 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 58 Message-ID: <v4q2cs$ss0s$1@dont-email.me> References: <v3g329$2vhcs$1@dont-email.me> <lc1hq0F9p6tU1@mid.individual.net> <0001HW.2C0BDD05000713EB7000090E038F@news.supernews.com> <v4k3d5$3fg9u$1@dont-email.me> <ld5kflFu232U1@mid.individual.net> <robertaw-8D53D0.10034615062024@news.individual.net> <v4kj0l$3ifm5$1@dont-email.me> <robertaw-8563C7.09480816062024@news.individual.net> <v4o33o$ab71$1@dont-email.me> <robertaw-7A127E.09495917062024@news.individual.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2024 21:22:05 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="27b2eebfba37a16a56ba872f0fec4718"; logging-data="946204"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX184GxZtRIrXpqTSgKWjbBlTkkZlUKrtHwg=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:4qizLh/aeeSicCjWmLlfcZSWpzI= In-Reply-To: <robertaw-7A127E.09495917062024@news.individual.net> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3960 On 6/17/2024 11:49 AM, Robert Woodward wrote: > In article <v4o33o$ab71$1@dont-email.me>, > Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 6/16/2024 11:48 AM, Robert Woodward wrote: >>> In article <v4kj0l$3ifm5$1@dont-email.me>, >>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/15/2024 10:03 AM, Robert Woodward wrote: >>>>> In article <ld5kflFu232U1@mid.individual.net>, >>>>> ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In article <v4k3d5$3fg9u$1@dont-email.me>, >>>>>> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> So is this series basically Nazi fanfiction? >>>>>>> I can do without that. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No. There is nobody (including the author) rooting for the Draka. >>>>>> They are portrayed as awful and evil. However, sometimes evil wins. >>>>> >>>>> Except that the timeline in the appendix to the first novel, _Marching >>>>> Through Georgia_, contained many events that I consider to be >>>>> extraordinarily unlikely* (even assuming that the unlikely previous >>>>> events happened). >>>>> >>>>> *For values of "extremely unlikely" equal to a successful Operation >>>>> Sealion (Nazi Germany invasion of Great Britain in 1940). >>>>> >>>> In partial mitigation extremely unlikely things have happened in >>>> reality. Also the point of the books was a dystopia as horrible as the >>>> author could manage so.... >>> >>> There is a difference between "improbable" and "implausible". IMHO, many >>> events in the Draka timeline look implausible. >> >> Depends on how you feel about the Drakas unifying the continent of >> Africa under their iron hand in the middle 1800s. >> > > Africa is a big place (it is bigger than North America). It was not > exactly lightly populated. There would had been about an order of > magnitude fewer Draka than Americans. The disease environment would work > in the Draka disfavor. In summary, no way, no how. Did you mean "an order of magnitude fewer Draka than" AFRICANS ? S. M. Stirling seems to disagree with you about the Domination of Africa. Remember, the Domination was all about the enslavement of every other human on Earth for the purposes of the Draka. And George Washington was one of the richest people on the planet in the middle 1700s. He was 3% of the economy of the USA. I suspect that he could have raised the funds to exile the Loyalists to any place that he wanted to. He chose Canada for most of them. Lynn