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From: jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll)
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Subject: Re: "Drakon" by S. M. Stirling
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:14:20 -0000 (UTC)
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In article <robertaw-D3EBEB.21520117062024@news.individual.net>,
Robert Woodward  <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
>In article <v4qmh1$10mc5$1@dont-email.me>,
> William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> > On 6/17/2024 5:26 PM, William Hyde wrote:
>> >> Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> >>> On 6/16/2024 11:48 AM, Robert Woodward wrote:
>> >> .
>> >>>
>> >>> The single trigger event is when George Washington exiled the 120,000 
>> >>> Loyalists to South Africa instead of Canada after the USA 
>> >>> Revolutionary war.
>> >>>
>
><Snip>
>
>> >> But the vast majority of loyalists stayed behind, and played a role in 
>> >> the politics of the new nation.  The last laws against former 
>> >> loyalists were repealed a few years after the war, though local 
>> >> prejudice lasted much longer.
>> >>
>> >> And Canada certainly did not receive 100k of loyalist immigrants.
>> >>
>> >>  > I had no idea that this really happened in the late 1700s.
>> >>
>> >> Not mentioned in high school history?
>> >>
>> >> William Hyde
>> > 
>> > https://www.britannica.com/topic/loyalist
>> > 
>
><Snip>
>
>> 
>> But we didn't get 100k.  After all, if you are a loyalist from Georgia, 
>> do you really want to grow turnips in Upper Canada, or sugar in Jamaica? 
>> And if you're a urban type from NY, do you chose Montreal or London?
>> 
>> When I was a kid there were still people who added "UE" to their names 
>> as descendants of the loyalists.  It's been a long while since I've seen 
>> that, though.
>> 
>
>My paternal grandmother denied it, but my late father believed that she 
>had Loyalist ancestors because she had ancestors born in the regions of 
>Canada that had Loyalist settlements (IIRC, initially settled by 
>Loyalists).

UE's were well enough remembered when I went to school in the 1960s
that one of my teachers, presumable not a UE, carefully explained 
UEs were terribly inbred. I doubt that was on the curriculum and
I'd love to know the backstory to why she felt the need to say 
that.

Somone being proudly UEL comes up in a Davies novel set in the ... 
1940s?  1950s? Not on a complementary context. 

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