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From: jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll)
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Subject: Re: "Drakon" by S. M. Stirling
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 13:20:42 -0000 (UTC)
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In article <v4ul1p$7ud$1@reader1.panix.com>,
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
>In article <2g957j5m5qfpevnuuojggu1d98la2vgrpv@4ax.com>,
>The Horny Goat  <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:36:21 -0400, William Hyde
>><wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>However, Ontario also received a number of "delayed loyalists", i.e. 
>>>Americans attracted by free land, well after the war(1).  As these 
>>>proved far from loyal to the British in the war of 1812(2), perhaps your 
>>>grandmother had a point.
>>>
>>
>>I've never seen a source that suggested land in modern day southern
>>Ontario was free though it was a fraction (I've read 1/3) of what the
>>US was selling land for in what is now the Midwest.
>>
>>Again - in British eyes there were enough of them that it was felt to
>>be a security threat in the region between London (ON) and York (now
>>Toronto) though in the event these settlers chose loyalty to their
>>land rather than to their former country.
>
>Yeah, to the 1812 invaders' enormous surprise, you can't win hearts
>and minds by setting fire to people's homes. 

So, while there's no UE or American Invasion of 1812 About Which
They Would Later Lie Shamelessly stories in the Canadian side of
my family, my aunt had a rather astonishing claim that we were
related to Upper Canada's Bishop Strachan, a stalwart figure who
played a central role in the Upper Canada Rebellion... by being
such a consumate dick (along with the rest of the Family Compact
that ran Upper Canada back then) that he helped provoke it. 

Well, you can't have heroes without villains.

What makes the claim eye-brow-raising is that Bishop Strachan
was very very Anglican, whereas my mother's family were very
very Catholic. How you bridge godless heretics to Catholics,
I don't know.

One answer is maybe my grandfather wasn't a Catholic but I
cannot imagine that would have escaped comment. There was
certainly commentary when my father (Unitarian atheist)
married my mother (fugitive ex-nun atheist), from both
sides.  
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